Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Orion is in no way herald level, after all his fight with Silver Surfer made him look like he was about class 50-75 tops.We are tlaking about Tyrant that beat up Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Thor, Jack of Hearts, Morg, Ganymede, and Terrax. The JLA will fall in a matter of minutes.
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I thought he had the WOL when he did that ?
Oh yeah that's true... Thanks now I remember, he took that from Morg, but even without it, a normal Tyrant is still more that this particular group of JLA'ers could handle. He would more than likely see the emerald ring as a similar power source and increase his power in the same way as he did with the waters of life.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Actually whirly, he probably does still have an upper limit. He can't do more than his body and mind can handle. And since when did Superman have the strongest will in the universe?? What about Hal, Kyle and etc??
Superman has a superwill theres an else worlds where he becomes a GL he has no limit. Will can go beyond physical limits. Thats how people play on injured and hurt themselves further.
True, but there is also the saying, " the mind is willing, but the flesh is weak". Meaning while supermans durability lets him go further than most for a longer time, eventually big feats will slow and finally stop if not kill him. GL depends on mental, emotional and physical strength. And all those can be exhausted overtime. Not even Superman is exempt from the limits of his biology.
Originally posted by UniOmni
True, but there is also the saying, " the mind is willing, but the flesh is weak". Meaning while supermans durability lets him go further than most for a longer time, eventually big feats will slow and finally stop if not kill him. GL depends on mental, emotional and physical strength. And all those can be exhausted overtime. Not even Superman is exempt from the limits of his biology.
hmmm - on what Biology do you base Supermans limits? Do you consider will to be a function of Physicality? Stephen Hawking might disagree given he was told he had months to live...... in 1969! His biology is weak, his will is strong.
Supermans will is supposed to be "Superstrong"
Touche
But consider this. A man wakes up with a headache of severe magnitude. Chloroform was used in his abduction. He tries to sit up, but feels icy cold all over. He see's via his periphereal view, his 10 year old daughter naked and tied to a bed, emotionless. He sees a wiry, grimy man of about 50 approach the bed while undoing his belt with a clearcut intent. Tears stream from his eyes as he struggles to rise up, and do something to help his babygirl. He can't. His body is broken, and he's fighting off shock with every labored breath. He has his daughters face in his view, and summons the will to move. Same result. He simply can't.
Now in this case, the guy had the will, but the body was simply incapable of action. A bit extreme yes, but it works. Sometimes, the will can't find the way.