The Maestro vs. Gladiator

Originally posted by Horrificus
I don't understand where you guys are coming up with this Gladiator win. He has trouble against everybody that the Maestro is greater than.
His eyebeams did not stop the Hulk, and Thor has lost to the Hulk, and Thor is too much for Glads also.
So, I don't see how Maestro loses. And you guys constantly chanting the words "speedblitz" and "eye laser" doesn't change anything.
Yes, Glads has cool powers. But, yes, again, he loses A LOT.

LOL his heat vision melted the hulk's chest and almost killed him before the hulks hands gut in the way and all of a sudden his hands were immune to the power.

If Gladiator uses a smart and distanced aproach or speed blitzes then he wins it but I get the feeling he might try to take Maestro head on. In that case Maestro out powers him. Gladiator 7/10 if he fights smart.

Originally posted by soleran30
LOL his heat vision melted the hulk's chest and almost killed him before the hulks hands gut in the way and all of a sudden his hands were immune to the power.

It still happened.
And Maestro is the toughest of the Hulks.

Originally posted by Horrificus
It still happened.
And Maestro is the toughest of the Hulks.

great so instead of just heat beaming his chest he can open it up and heat vision his entire body that should fix any PIS/CIS.

Originally posted by soleran30
great so instead of just heat beaming his chest he can open it up and heat vision his entire body that should fix any PIS/CIS.

Um... yeah.

Speedblitz, heat vision, blah, blah, blah.
You guys are so right. I am wrong. He can't beat Cannonball, but he can beat Maestro. Excellent logic!

It doesn't matter what powers he has, if he can't fight for crap.
He loses. Period. Until he starts beating more high-level guys, it doesn't matter what he can do.
Maybe he has a complex or something.
Ain't my problem.

gladiator power is based on willpower. he is only as great as he think he is. thats why superman and thor plus other can beat him. maestro is like hulk but much smarter and better.

well if gladiator can move 100 times the speed of light let me help you here.......................Maestro is gonna be cold and alone in space..........Whats he gonna do punch glads.............move out of the way cuz yeah he is fast enough to dodge light beams in the atmosphere lol🙂

Originally posted by soleran30
well if gladiator can move 100 times the speed of light let me help you here.......................Maestro is gonna be cold and alone in space..........Whats he gonna do punch glads.............move out of the way cuz yeah he is fast enough to dodge light beams in the atmosphere lol🙂

Yeah, he uses that strategy a lot!
NOT!
Just give it up. It doesn't happen.
He doesn't do it, and there must be a reason for it.
And that 100 times the speed of light thing. He doesn't do that in fights. He hasd been able to fly at starship speeds, but his fighting speeds have not been clocked at 100 times the speed of light.
As a matter of FACT, a lot of what gets said about him in this forum, has never actually been seen. It is a lot of stuff that he says he can do, and a lot of other stuff that forum members say he can do.

Maestro wins. He is more durable, faster, more experienced and stronger than the Hulk that beat him.
Anything else you are saying, has not been proven. I am going on his record, the use of his powers and his past feats. You are going on your imagination, heresay, unrealistic optimism and wishful thinking.

Actually no I am not Lucid Lui make a smok'n Gladiator respect thread..................everything I have said can be backed by this here I'll throw you a bone its a great respect thread.

With the exception of BFR through super speed but get over the maestro he cannot fly he gets punched by a buy that can pick up a 35 story building he has no where to go but up🙂

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=369265&pagenumber=9#post6247282

don't cry to hard after reading feats and realizing Maestro will shat himself with Glads schmoking him so hard.

Originally posted by soleran30
Actually no I am not Lucid Lui make a smok'n Gladiator respect thread..................everything I have said can be backed by this here I'll throw you a bone its a great respect thread.

With the exception of BFR through super speed but get over the maestro he cannot fly he gets punched by a buy that can pick up a 35 story building he has no where to go but up🙂

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=369265&pagenumber=9#post6247282

don't cry to hard after reading feats and realizing Maestro will shat himself with Glads schmoking him so hard.

Man!
After reading that respect thread for Gladiator, I have changed my mind.
He is even weaker than I thought.
Maestro wins even easier!

Originally posted by Betageuze
who wins this one

Savage Hulk has already beaten the Gladiator before

so... how the chances for Gladiator to win this combat ?

If we are to believe Maestro himself, then only Thor could have stopped him. I think Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, and a few others such as the Gladiator could have done it as well, not to mention a long list of "bad guys" like Thanos, who would easily have their way with him. Some of these guys have has ripped apart planets and survived passing through stars. A star is basically a huge continuous nuclear explosion. So, unless the writer is shamelessly pandering to Hulk fans, as Marvel has often done, Gladiator wins.

According to the Forum Rules, we use the optimum showing for each participant when we debate. We don't count PIS or SvFL (Which is pretty much what the Hulk/Gladiator fight was, but i can see you won't admit that so for your sake i'll also use it as an example aswell).

Ok, so Gladiator's optimal strength showings have him destroying a planet with ease, lifting the Baxter Building, carrying a massive Shi'ar ship, casually moving asteroids and lifting trains and being said to hit with enough power to lay low a city.

His optimal speed showings have him clocked at 100 times the speed of flight, travelling through hyper-space un-aided, continuosly operating at a speed where nothing else appears to be moving at all under his own power (Thor, Iron Man and the FF were using tech to acheive this) and speed-blitzing Thor, Nova and Cannonball among others.

His optimal durability showings have him flying through the heart of a star millions of miles wide, surviving and containing a blast of almost nova proportions, taking two eyebeams from Tyrant and still standing, taking a shitload (and i mean a hell of alot) of damage from both normal Thor and Masterson Thor and being conscious a few panels later. Not to mention a whisper from Black Bolt directly into Gladiator's ear only took him out of the fight for a few pages.

Now, if all that's not enough, Gladiator still has his heat vision which has been compared to stars, matched Tyrant's eyebeams and burnt through Hulk's chest (though his hand was somehow fine 🙄 ). Gladiator also has his incredible lung powers which he could easily use to freeze the air around Maestro.

Every single thing i've mentioned here can be seen in the Gladiator Respect Thread.

OK now, Horrificus, could you please tell me just how Meastro is going to defeat Gladiator?

Well of course, let's use the Hulk/Gladiator fight. If Gladiator decides to simply slug it out with Maestro (as in, fight like an idiot), he'll probably lose (especially if there's a reactor around which just happens to have the radiation Gladiator is vulnerable to).

So there's a way Maestro could win. If we completely ignore most of Gladiator's abilities and use his vulnerability against.

So, what are Maestro's optimum showings? Do they compare? Please tell me a viable way for Maestor to win. Then please tell me how exactly Maestro would defeat Gladiator more times than not.

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Originally posted by Lucid Lui

OK now, Horrificus, could you please tell me just how Meastro is going to defeat Gladiator?

Well of course, let's use the Hulk/Gladiator fight. If Gladiator decides to simply slug it out with Maestro (as in, fight like an idiot), he'll probably lose (especially if there's a reactor around which just happens to have the radiation Gladiator is vulnerable to).

So there's a way Maestro could win. If we completely ignore most of Gladiator's abilities and use his vulnerability against.

So, what are Maestro's optimum showings? Do they compare? Please tell me a viable way for Maestor to win. Then please tell me how exactly Maestro would defeat Gladiator more times than not.

I believe Maestro is one of the few character's in the MU that would actually know how to capitalzie on Gladiator's Achiles Heal. His self-confidence.
Maestro is brilliant, and HAS been shown to play excellent head games. I think he would be able to ensure that Gladiator is not in complete control of his own hype.
On top of that, as much as I hate to say it, because I dispise when other Hulk fans say it, if we are talking about the most optimistic rendition of Maestro, he has access LIMITLESS strength.
But, I don't really want to go there. it opens up a whole bag of worms that I would rather not even look at.
So, let's stick to his mind, strategies, strength and experience.

I think Maestro ends up ripping the head, literally off, of a weakened, insecure Gladiator.

if he can grab him, Maestro wins. no contest.
why he would be able to grab a FTL flyer, I don't know 😐.

as for the H-V stuff, doubt it'll achieve anything than pissing off Maestro Hulk, perhaps Maestro will release a little of the gamma waves that WWH showed... that could definitely bring down a flyer.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Or, am I wrong about all of these things?

Yes you are. All of them.

Thanks for playing.

Maestro for the win

People claiming hulk vs gladiator is p.i.s does not make it so

Originally posted by starlock
Maestro for the win

People claiming hulk vs gladiator is p.i.s does not make it so

No, but it being so certainly makes it so.

Originally posted by KK the Great
No, but it being so certainly makes it so.

I have the comic and read it, to me no p.i.s was involved in the beating gladiator took

So since i disagree does it make me right? c.i.s is allowed and if anything that is gladiaotr's problem

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

Now dont that fit gladiators profile better than p.i.s, or jobbed, the comics always make reference to his confidence and well hulk thru him a beating, just my opinon