Pre-Crisis Superman vs. Rune King Thor

Did you skip my post? I explained that forum rules state that both characters are at their best, meaning PC supes is invincible, and yes PC supes was far beyond Mangogs durability and anything RKT has demonstrated.

Secondly PC supes at his best was invincible to all, including magic, PC supes was only very vulnerable to magic when the writters wanted him to be.

PC Supes feats completely over shadow RKT's feats in every catagory.

Have you seen PC supes feats, because if so I dont see how this is a contest at all.

This is like Dr. J versus MJ

Originally posted by Jesse7
Did you skip my post? I explained that forum rules state that both characters are at their best, meaning PC supes is invincible, and yes PC supes was far beyond Mangogs durability and anything RKT has demonstrated.

Secondly PC supes at his best was invincible to all, including magic, PC supes was only very vulnerable to magic when the writters wanted him to be.

PC Supes feats completely over shadow RKT's feats in every catagory.

Have you seen PC supes feats, because if so I dont see how this is a contest at all.

😐 Thats one of the weakest arguments I've ever seen brought to the table.

I have one question for you. Do you yourself even believe that post deserves a response?

PC Superman at his best still got served by sky-father beings like Darkseid etc with ease, PC Darkseid b***h slap PC Superman on a regular bases.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Your logic is BS, if PC Superman couldn't beat Pc Darkseid when they where written well, 🤨 do you think PC Superman is going to do too Rune King Thor who is above a skyfather and will sh** on PC Superman all day long.

Get off PC Superman nut sack you are embarrassing yourself to the fullest, RKT would stop PC Superman dead in his tracks with a gesture or send PC Superman into a Red Sun. Rune King Thor killed Celestails beings that where way above a skyfather who would be above PC Superman.

PC Superman got served every time he face PC Darkseid and you going to tell us that PC Superman can beat Elder God, get the f**k out of here with that BS. RKT/Odin/Zeus/Darkseid/Tyrant/Mangog/Asgardian Destroyer/Atum will defecate on PC Superman corpse.

LOL do you think DS is on RKT's level? DS was Galactus level back then, stated by Kirby himself and if we go by feats then DS surpasses Galactus.

Secondly If we go by current DS then hes Abstract level and beyond with the ALE now.

LOL using DS as an example to make PC supes look weaker, that just goes to show how powerful DS was and still is (Wasnt effected by the Crisis and all of his loses as of 2004 have been retconned so he has never lost a battle, they were all avatars)

PC supes speed blitzes RKT going trillions of times the speed of light and then punches RKT in the head thus bending, ripping, and destroying space/time/reality/logic and killing RKT in the past, present and future simultaniously.

^P.S. Supes punches affect/alter/rip/tear/repair time, space, reality.

Originally posted by Jesse7
LOL do you think DS is on RKT's level? DS was Galactus level back then, stated by Kirby himself and if we go by feats then DS surpasses Galactus.

Secondly If we go by current DS then hes Abstract level and beyond with the ALE now.

LOL using DS as an example to make PC supes look weaker, that just goes to show how powerful DS was and still is (Wasnt effected by the Crisis and all of his loses as of 2004 have been retconned so he has never lost a battle, they were all avatars)

PC supes speed blitzes RKT going trillions of times the speed of light and then punches RKT in the head thus bending, ripping, and destroying space/time/reality/logic and killing RKT in the past, present and future simultaniously.

^P.S. Supes punches affect/alter/rip/tear/repair time, space, reality.

Also about feats PC DS feats aren't that golden his best feats mostly deal with stopping Superman without much effort. His other big feats aren't that big especially when looking at the fact that Galactus when fully powered can destroy the universe 10X over as stated.

DS's power level was more implied than shown same here with RKT his feats aren't that big but his implied power level should be all that you need.

PC Supes<<<<<<<<<Skyfahter
RKT>Skyfather

Originally posted by newjak86
I know back then DS was at Galactus level.

this though is a little in left field as the true power of the ALE is still a little unkown so claiming abstract level is a little much right now

DS was strong but at Galactus level he completely abused PC Supes so if that is true then then PC supes is Herald level maybe a little higher if you want to use that logic

This again man listen RKT could stop time keep Superman from moving and then just turn hin into a statue to decorate his halls. Honestly it isn't a matter of feats it is a matter of power levels. PC Supes isn't anywhere near Skyfather level.

Also about feats PC DS feats aren't that golden his best feats mostly deal with stopping Superman without much effort. His other big feats aren't that big especially when looking at the fact that Galactus when fully powered can destroy the universe 10X over as stated.

DS's power level was more implied than shown same here with RKT his feats aren't that big but his implied power level should be all that you need.

PC Supes<<<<<<<<<Skyfahter
RKT>Skyfather

DS best feats were not beating down supes -_-, how about using the source wall as a toy, or boom tubes, or how about erasing RKT level sky fathers with the OE, or speed blitzing the entire pre crisis JLU, flash and supes (who moves at 300 trillion times the speed of light).

Another one of DS big feats was battling the Anti-Monitor and severely dammaging it. You act as if DS biggest feats were fighting Supes when those were his normal subpar ones.

Secondly DS is Abstract level at the very least right now, have you seen read the comics in which DS meet ethe actual full sentient embodiment of the ALE? It was beyond anything they had ever seen

Metron discovered the ALE's location in the stream of Universes.

"I am Metron...at long last I have deciphered the final segments of the Anti-Life Equation."

Metron is traveling through Dimesions (Universes in DC) to find the ALE.

The Universe's darkest secret is about to be revealed to me"

He's still crossing Realities

"I am to be taken to the Source of the Anti-Life Energies

He Finds the Anti-Life Equation

"I realize the dreadful mistake I have made"

Check this Monster out!

"The Anti-Life is a sentient being...It's Alive."

"We of New genesis have the effrontery to call ourselves Gods"

"I now see what a God trylly is...Next to this deity, I am Nothing"

Metron jets for his life.

"This is a Realm No Mortal or Immortal should ever tread in"

He managed to escape the Universe of the ALE

But it threw 4 Aspects of itself that followed Metron back to his Universe.

Continues...

Darkseid become one with the Mystical Wells of Power (or the Well of Primal Mystic Forces
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Darkseid attacks the ALE...
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Darkesied with near Infinite Power now, seems to have a chance...

The Anti-Life exerts but a Fraction of it's might and regains it's freedom
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"This terror is Far more Powerful than even I dared dream"
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"Ultimate death waits only a microsecond away"

Darkseid then tries to escape with the fraction he was able to absorb.
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"Even a small % of this nightmare's Power will full-fill all my heart's desires"

He seems to escape into a separate Universe, where he plans to "seal off the ALE with it's own energies and...
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"still have Power enough left to bring my Reality (Universe) to it's knees."

Darkesied was going to conquer his Reality with a small fraction of ALE's power
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"All those years of scheming will finally gaine me the Universe"...but whoops.

Darkseid underestimated the ALE big time, even after acknowledging it's Power.
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"where are we"?

"Damnation"
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Continues...

Darkseid was tappng near limitless power, and was still no match for the ALE.
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"Anti-Life is on it's way"

Just when Darkseid and Etrigen are about to be erased by the ALE
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"It just cannot end like this"

Darkseid and Etrigen are saved
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"By the dark powers...some force whisks us out of death's grasp"

It's Dr Fate, HighFather, and Orion
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Fate, Darkseid, HighFather, Orion and Etrigen are all "linked to an Elemental Source of near-Infinte Power"
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Together they form, "the Cinque of Cosmic Power"
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This "Cinque of Power" can obliterate an entire Universe easily"...you will see.

"How can even we, with our near-Infinite might...
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Long enough to prevail!
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"But even with almost omnipotent might, Fate realizes even the Cinque of Power will fall beneath Anti-Life's awesome forces"
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"Death is still only a heartbeat away"

The Cinque of Power escapes to the neighboring Reality (Universe)
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But there is only way to make sure the ALE does not reach their Universe.

So the Cinque of Power obliterates that neighboring Dimension (Universe)
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"A Reality dies"...
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"It was this Dimension or his own own"

"The threat of the ALE is forever ended"....."how"
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the bridging Dimension between our Reality and it's has been eradicated"

NOTE - Thanks to Mr. M for the uberly l33t scans!

The whole point of that was to show you that the ALE is beyond Abstract it is beyond LT, im not even sure what level the ALE is its just so l33t.

Secondly its to show you that Darseid was not weak and that he is abstract the very least and likely very far beyond now in potential with the absorbing of the ALE.

Thirdly I would like to say PC Supes can speed RKT, and in case you never read the comics, energy draining never worked on Supes, or if it did it lasted a panel or two then he became immune to it or found a way around it. Also do you think RKT would be the first one to try and use kryptonite on Supes or to try and use red sun light radiation? Its the same result as when they tried to energy drain him.

"Supes does get knocked around in comics sometimes[rarely in the last 7 years.]--but he often does that because he chooses to, not because he can't stop it -- he's one of the most durable characters in comics." - Juanti in relation to post crisis supes who is weaker then Pre Crisi supes.

300 trillion times lightspeed is a lot faster than Surfer. Needless to say, he can vibrate himself out of time with reality, join another reality, or move through time at will, all with far greater control and frequency than Surfer. - Juanti

Have I ever said DS was weak but most of the time when people talk about DS it gets alot of his supposed power level from it. I know he does have feats. You also failed to mention him mind controling a planet full of Daxamites and was moving it with his mind. Thats not the point. The ALE for everything it is is still very unkown in true power level becasue:
A) It has never actually battled Abstract level beings

Secondly like I said DS feats aren't that great and most of it was implied

Because A) Odin a being weaker than RKT was able to to cause shockwaves throughout the Mutliverse in a fight.

B) Like I said RKT is higher up than his father.

That feat by Odin alone tops everything DS has ever done but as we all know DS is above Skyfather level.

Still people like to throw around Skyfather on alot of beings like it is a middle of the roadwer level that a number of middle cosmics and such can match. Skyfather level is really a high level that is high up in the food chain and RKT is a highest level Skyfather ever

No offence to PC Supes but he is way out of his league right now. He can speed blitz to his hearts content it doesn't change the outcome of him just being turned into a stone statue because Thor wills it to happen.

Originally posted by newjak86
Have I ever said DS was weak but most of the time when people talk about DS it gets alot of his supposed power level from it. I know he does have feats. You also failed to mention him mind controling a planet full of Daxamites and was moving it with his mind. Thats not the point. The ALE for everything it is is still very unkown in true power level becasue:
A) It has never actually battled Abstract level beings

Secondly like I said DS feats aren't that great and most of it was implied

Because A) Odin a being weaker than RKT was able to to cause shockwaves throughout the Mutliverse in a fight.

B) Like I said RKT is higher up than his father.

That feat by Odin alone tops everything DS has ever done but as we all know DS is above Skyfather level.

Still people like to throw around Skyfather on alot of beings like it is a middle of the roadwer level that a number of middle cosmics and such can match. Skyfather level is really a high level that is high up in the food chain and RKT is a highest level Skyfather ever

No offence to PC Supes but he is way out of his league right now. He can speed blitz to his hearts content it doesn't change the outcome of him just being turned into a stone statue because Thor wills it to happen.

You say that Odin causing a shock wave throughout the entire multiverse tops any of DS feats, then you obviously have not read all of the comics DS has been in, a feat that tops everything Odin and RKT has ever done, a feat that tops any abstract in marvel...

The Anti-Monitor, a being who destroyed millions if not countless DC universes, all high fathers, supes, dr fates, abstracts, etc. DS battled the Anti-Monitor (with only his own power) and severely dammaged it, this is some thing that dwarfs any of Odins or RKT's feats.

So dont give me that DS feats just dont measure up, because they far surpass anything of Odin and RKT.

Secondly you say you dont know what the ALE can do, yeah uh huh did you skip all the scans, because that right there was an example of what just a very fraction of the ALE Can do, or are you going to tell me that RKT and Odin surpass the cosmic Cinque?

This all goes to show that PC supes is far above RKT, why? Because if PC supes was able to stand up to DS and is now able to beat him (DS was not affected by the crisis their is no pre and post crisis DS) then imagine how powerful PC supes was who was more powerful then post crisis supes.

Originally posted by Jesse7
You say that Odin causing a shock wave throughout the entire multiverse tops any of DS feats, then you obviously have not read all of the comics DS has been in, a feat that tops everything Odin and RKT has ever done, a feat that tops any abstract in marvel...

The Anti-Monitor, a being who destroyed millions if not countless DC universes, all high fathers, supes, dr fates, abstracts, etc. DS battled the Anti-Monitor (with only his own power) and severely dammaged it, this is some thing that dwarfs any of Odins or RKT's feats.

So dont give me that DS feats just dont measure up, because they far surpass anything of Odin and RKT.

Secondly you say you dont know what the ALE can do, yeah uh huh did you skip all the scans, because that right there was an example of what just a very fraction of the ALE Can do, or are you going to tell me that RKT and Odin surpass the cosmic Cinque?

This all goes to show that PC supes is far above RKT, why? Because if PC supes was able to stand up to DS and is now able to beat him (DS was not affected by the crisis their is no pre and post crisis DS) then imagine how powerful PC supes was who was more powerful then post crisis supes.

Yeah but once again on the ALE before you can claim Abstract level perhaps it should beat an Abstract being.

I'm not denying DS's or the ALE's power but they don't have the feats your trying to claim they do to put them on the level you want.

And of course this just goes back to the begining that implied power sometimes is all you need when feats aren't that good.
RKT is far beyond PC Supes

Are you running out of things to say newjak?

Because when Odin caused a shock wave throughout the multiverse, I recall it saying a ripple that went outward thoughout the multiverse, and secondly Odin never destroyed a single universe, give me a break trying to compare Odin to the Anti-Monitor.

And Secondly the Anti-Monitor didnt just go slowly 1 by 1 destrying universes, he was ripping through them so fast it was causing all of reality space and time to break down and the multiverse to merge and break apart. Eventually mostly everyone in DC being remade into post crisis, this out classes anything of Odin and RKT.

All odin did was cause a ripple throughought the multiverse, the Anti-Monitor was destroying the multiverse and destroyed all of it except the primary DC universe and a few pockets of reality here and there.

The ALE does have feats to back it up, or did you not see it easily dwarf and overcome the cosmic cinque? Are you going to tell me that the cosmic Cinque is not beyond Abstract? DS alone is abstract level, Dr. Fate, Orion with the astro force, High father? Do you know what abstract level and beyond is?

Rkt has nothing on Pc Supes, PC Supes 10/10.

Actually to clear a few things up, it was technically the IMPs who destroyed the pre-Crisis multiverse and the Post-Crisis Universe of DC Comics, as well as the Elseworlds of Kingdom Come, Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, and the DC Animated Universe and in the end they put it back together without any effort at all and were joking around the whole time. <---info from mordrum

But it was the Anti-monitor who destroyed the countless universes before they changed it all afterward. So all in all it negates nothing from the AM's feats.