Batman/Predator vs Venom/Punisher

Originally posted by DraconaInVolata
Read Venom: Nights of Vengeance. He's taken them, easily.

i have venom: nights of vengeance... just because the guy can see in infra red doesnt put him anywhere near the preds level. hell, our own military can see in ifra red. pred could probably take on both these guys at once... with ease. the heat from the plasma caster fuses AND courterises wounds upon impact... to courterise(sp?) it doesnt take that much heat, but when the blast goes through something and FUSES it completely back, thats a shitload of heat. the symbiote wouldnt be able to stand that, venom would be out, and lets face it... punisher, without prep time against the pred, would go down in seconds.

Originally posted by Juntai
Batman's beaten Punisher already in JLA/Avengers.
Batman also beat Carnage in Marvel/DC. [Though Fan voted. e.g; not canon.]
And he's also beaten Predator before.
lol.

pred's beaten batman too, though.... he got his @$$ handed to him by the bad blood. if it wasnt for those 2 preds that bailed him out, he'd be done

When did this have anything to do with the infa-red spectrum? Those guys had technology and experience of an entire race at their disposal, and they couldn't take the two anti-heroes down. They're comparable to the Predators because of their technology and skills, not a type of vision. That's like saying the Vision is similar to Martian Manhunter because both can become intangible. Also, Venom has a spider-sense. Good luck hitting him with single shot cannons.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
When did this have anything to do with the infa-red spectrum? Those guys had technology and experience of an entire race at their disposal, and they couldn't take the two anti-heroes down. They're comparable to the Predators because of their technology and skills, not a type of vision. That's like saying the Vision is similar to Martian Manhunter because both can become intangible. Also, Venom has a spider-sense. Good luck hitting him with single shot cannons.

maybe im not remember the whole comic... but most of their "advanced tech" didnt seem that much better than earth's, and they tended to use infra red a good bit.

anyway, spider-sense isnt gonna do sh*t for explosions, we've already seen that (lethal protector). plasma canon also explodes... and, if he IS able to dodge that, there is always the wrist lasers. that would do a good deal to venom as well... heat just isnt his friend...

edit: oh, and plasma canon is heat seeking... or whatever the vision mode is in, anyway

Got any scans? I don't know much about Predators beyond the movies. Also, Venom's taken worse hits than a Predator's cannon.

Originally posted by Tshern
Don't preach to the choir, man. I know that it would practically impossible to survive that kind of blows, especially several of those. But applying real world logic and physics to comic universes isn't that wise.

If you don't like Batman surviving hits he gets from superhuman people, why don't you have a problem with a man covered in alien slime taking hits from a hulk who represents a cosmic god? Lifting mountains, travelling at the speed of light, healing without effort and turning invisible are not that common traits in our world either.

So, my point is that you just have to accept somethings that happen in comics. If a man consistently shoots concussive beams from his eyes in comics it is possible. Same applies to the powers of every superhero and villain in comics.

I don't have problems with Venom taking punches from Hulk because it's never been really said how durable Venom is. It's only been said that the only things that could take out symbiots are heat and sonics.
I'm sticking to this.

Besides even comics have logic. I don't mind that some guy could fly with the speed of light, because writers explain that he is an alien, so he could do such things. But when comic character is said to ba a normal human but does things that are beyond human abilities a call it a Bullsh!t.

Originally posted by Kontraz
i have venom: nights of vengeance... just because the guy can see in infra red doesnt put him anywhere near the preds level. hell, our own military can see in ifra red. pred could probably take on both these guys at once... with ease. the heat from the plasma caster fuses AND courterises wounds upon impact... to courterise(sp?) it doesnt take that much heat, but when the blast goes through something and FUSES it completely back, thats a shitload of heat. the symbiote wouldnt be able to stand that, venom would be out, and lets face it... punisher, without prep time against the pred, would go down in seconds.

Predator could take them both at once 🙄
The question is: How many predators it would take to defeat Venom alone?
What predator has? All his weapons Venom could easilly dodge.
What Venom has? Strength to tear Predator apart with his bare hands.
And don't forget that Frank is there either.

So i repeat myself. The only chance for team 1 to win is to use sonics. No sinics means no win for them.

Well bats has sonics as part of his standard equipment as both the comic version and the begins version and he tends to use them quickly whenever he's fighting someone with superpowers. And without venom castles is toast.

Isnt venom immune to sonics after he bonds with his host permanently?
It doesnt really matter, a pred armed as braz said couldnt take venom even with an ambush, the disk and plasmacaster are both easy to dodge by marvel standards, in both movies and AVP games, even with lock on. BTW, someone posted that the plasmacaster has homeing, it doesnt, only the disk homes in on its target, caster just locks on. Venom could solo this easy, as could Frank if he knew what he was up against, because this is batman begins batman, and he couldnt take a veteran Frank Castle unless he ambushed him, and pred hunters have lost to much less than Frank Castle

yea, ur probably right about the whole venom and predator thing, venom would probably beat pred easily, i dunno what i was thinking, but castle aint takin down Batman Begins batman, HELL NO, i think that was batmans most intimidating image, in Batman Begins...frank would just be like wtf like all the other thugs in Begins and bats takes em out with ease either with a nerve gas capsule to make him temporarily vulnerable and KO's him or a batarang, trap w/ grapple gun ect. and i guess because venom hasnt bonded with batman permanantly, he could use a sonic and therefore, would lose 😛

Originally posted by Tassadar
Isnt venom immune to sonics after he bonds with his host permanently?
It doesnt really matter, a pred armed as braz said couldnt take venom even with an ambush, the disk and plasmacaster are both easy to dodge by marvel standards, in both movies and AVP games, even with lock on. BTW, someone posted that the plasmacaster has homeing, it doesnt, only the disk homes in on its target, caster just locks on. Venom could solo this easy, as could Frank if he knew what he was up against, because this is batman begins batman, and he couldnt take a veteran Frank Castle unless he ambushed him, and pred hunters have lost to much less than Frank Castle

read the comics... plasma is homing. it has a very small metal core that homes in on its targets, the "plasma" part really isn't too thick either, its mainly pure heat you're seeing. and given venom's weakness to fire, it only needs to graze him to harm him, thus slowing him down enough for any of the other weapons to hit him. as for the disc being easily dodged, going by comic standards, its nearly impossible to dodge... supposedly its MUCH faster than bullets, or any other projectile found on earth for that matter. and sure, im betting venom could take a punch from the hulk and survive... he has in the past. but carnage was RIPPED in half... which means that symbiotes might have amazing endurance for blunt attacks, but when it comes to piercing, they can still be harmed...fatally. the disc can cut through anything, predator can lock on to venom, disc wont stop chasing venom till he's cut in half... game over.

Originally posted by braz
yea, ur probably right about the whole venom and predator thing, venom would probably beat pred easily, i dunno what i was thinking, but castle aint takin down Batman Begins batman, HELL NO, i think that was batmans most intimidating image, in Batman Begins...frank would just be like wtf like all the other thugs in Begins and bats takes em out with ease either with a nerve gas capsule to make him temporarily vulnerable and KO's him or a batarang, trap w/ grapple gun ect. and i guess because venom hasnt bonded with batman permanantly, he could use a sonic and therefore, would lose 😛

well, if you look back into the "predator vs punisher" and "predator vs venom" threads (dont feel like lookin em up... my comp isnt good with loading searches for some reason), you would see that those are very good matchups, because the majority of people agreed that pred would win both times 😉

Originally posted by Kontraz
read the comics... plasma is homing. it has a very small metal core that homes in on its targets, the "plasma" part really isn't too thick either, its mainly pure heat you're seeing. and given venom's weakness to fire, it only needs to graze him to harm him, thus slowing him down enough for any of the other weapons to hit him. as for the disc being easily dodged, going by comic standards, its nearly impossible to dodge... supposedly its MUCH faster than bullets, or any other projectile found on earth for that matter. and sure, im betting venom could take a punch from the hulk and survive... he has in the past. but carnage was RIPPED in half... which means that symbiotes might have amazing endurance for blunt attacks, but when it comes to piercing, they can still be harmed...fatally. the disc can cut through anything, predator can lock on to venom, disc wont stop chasing venom till he's cut in half... game over.

I agree. ✅

^yea cuz that IS true, if u think about it, if venom dodges it once it'll just turn back around and come at u until it hits u and pretty soon u've twisted around so much, ur like a human pretzel, and then that smart disk slices em like buttah 😄

lol ive changed my opinion twice about this matter, cuz at first i thought, yea the smart disk is homing and it'll hit venom, but then i forgot, venom is like spiderman w/ superior reflexes with symbiote costume, then i couldnt decide whether that because the disk was homing, when venom would dodge it once, i couldnt decide whether it would just keep going at the direction it was traveling in or just go in a circle and come back at venom, and I THINK thats what it would do, cuz its no dummy, its a SMART disk 🙂

^ eer 😆

Who says the disk and shoulder cannon tracks? Does it do that in the comics?

^dont matter, the preds origins are from the movie and they did in there

Originally posted by braz
^dont matter, the preds origins are from the movie and they did in there

❌

In no movie did the disk or Plasma caster track. Lock then a straight shot.

In the AVP fpsfor the PC, they track.

the smart disk did.