Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, I think we could have WON that game if Bochy didn't take out Tim. Dumb move.
Not really. Wilson is there to close and he has been very good at it. There was/is no reason to force lincecum to have to throw 9 innings to get a W. This one just did not go their way it happens.
Originally posted by forumcrew
Not really. Wilson is there to close and he has been very good at it. There was/is no reason to force lincecum to have to throw 9 innings to get a W. This one just did not go their way it happens.
Yeah, but there was NO reason to take Tim out of the game. He wasn't even in a jam! And on top of that, he works well in jams, anyway. He wants to complete games and he deserved it. He shut you guys out in 8 innings AND had one guy out already. It's not like he couldn't get a double play. He's the best pitcher for crying out loud.
2010 Season Standings so far (for those who aren't sure where everyone stands)
AMERICAN LEAGUE
EAST
Tampa Bay 18-7
New York 16-8
Toronto 13-13
Boston 11-14
Baltimore 7-18
CENTRAL
Minnesota 16-9
Detroit 16-10
Cleveland 10-14
Chicago 10-15
Kansas City 10-15
WEST
Texas 13-12
Oakland 13-13
Los Angeles 12-14
Seattle 11-14
NATIONAL LEAGUE
EAST
Philadelphia 14-10
New York 14-11
Florida 13-12
Washington 13-12
Atlanta 11-14
CENTRAL
St. Louis 17-8
Chicago 13-13
Cincinnati 12-13
Milwaukee 10-15
Pittsburgh 10-15
Houston 8-16
WEST
San Diego 16-9
San Francisco 14-10
Colorado 12-13
Arizona 11-14
Los Angeles 11-14
Some commentary: Tampa Bay totally kicking ass. Baltimore having a three-game winning streak. Minnesota continuing to shine with its pitching and offense. AL West looking mediocre to watch. New York Mets concluded a seven-game winning streak out of the cellar. Atlanta recently shot back from a nine-game losing streak. St. Louis dominating second overall in the league. Houston still having a rough time overall. San Diego with a surprising upsurge to make the NL West into something offensive. Los Angeles Dodgers having a rough time.
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That was a disgrace. How can he miss a call like that in that situation? It wasn't even CLOSE! I feel terrible for Armando and the fans that were present. They were robbed of being apart of history/ I sincerely hope this convince Major League Baseball to adopt some for of replay that could be used in situations like that. Unbelievable.
I don't think so.
It was cause a problem down the road.
I agree they should have a instant replay but if they reversed that decision then every bad call will be talked about. What happens if a guy gets a walk and it wasn't and it eventually ends up being a run that ties a game? Oh, they should retroactively call a strike.
Sports always have these problems. It sucks but its happens. Thousands of people have been screwed by it.
That's a slippery slope argument and thus isn't particularly compelling or logically sound. If they give the guy a perfect game they wouldn't then be forced to do that for every single strike or ball.
We aren't talking about petty things like a strike or a ball, but a perfect game. There's nothing wrong with reversing such a massive call in such a situation, especially when it would have no bearing on the outcome of that particular game. It would simply give the pitcher credit for the perfect game that he threw within the history books of the sport, nothing more. He earned it, he should get it.
And sports only have these problems when they don't have instant replay. As long as they don't have replays then this is what will always happen. Hockey does not have these types of problems, at least not to this degree, because they use instant replay to perfection, ensuring every questionable goal is looked at and called properly. As long as baseball refuses to adapt to modern technologies then they will only be able to fix a problem retroactively through the commissioner.
Frankly, as long as these problems persist in the sport baseball will always be a second tier sport and won't be taken as seriously as it otherwise could be. Stubbornness in such a manner will only hinder the sport.
I think it is. It was the call on the field and it should stick. It wasn't made out of malice or anything bad, it was a wrong call. It sucks but that's the way it is.
It's the fact that people can get screwed in any sport. Hockey is the same thing. It might not be goals but penalties but the fact remains, it's bound to happen in any sport. I can't think of any sport out there that reverses calls like that after the fact. They might revoke suspensions but not simple calls.
I do agree that instant replays should be in baseball. It should be used the same way football uses it. Manager has only a few challenges so it doesn't get overblown.
You think what is? A slippery slope argument is not valid. These are rules of logic. Slippery slope is a logical fallacy, it's fact. In order for the argument of "if he reversed this call he would have to reverse every other call that someone questioned' to be valid you have to prove why that would be the case. You have to prove why he would be unable to differentiate between this call - where the outcome of the specific game would not change, but merely what is in the history book of the sport, and every other call someone didn't like. That's the key, here. That the outcome of the game wouldn't change. That's what makes this one so unique, it's basically just taking joy away from people, for the reason of tradition. It's doubly stupid because even the umpire acknowledges that the call was horrendously incorrect, and even the runner that was called safe now says he was out. Everyone knows that the call was wrong, every single person. And yet it stands.
And yes, 'that's the way it is'. That is what the problem is. Baseball refuses to change things because it is afraid of changing 'the way it is'.
And the precedent for retroactive reversals already exists. Baseball has reversed calls before. As has the NBA.
http://www.slate.com/id/2255908/
To quote -
The baseball commissioner's office has overturned umpires' rulings in the past. In 1983's infamous "Pine Tar Game," umpire Tim McClelland nullified a home run by the Kansas City Royals' George Brett after ruling that the slugger's bat had too much sticky stuff; Brett was called out and the Royals went on to lose the game to the Yankees. Four days later, American League President Lee MacPhail reversed McClelland's ruling, calling the penalty excessive and explaining that "games should be won and lost on the playing field—not through technicalities of the rules." The game was resumed at the point after Brett's home run, and the Royals went on to win. (The NBA also chose to turn back time two years ago, ruling that the last minute of a game between the Hawks and Heat be replayed on account of the referees' failure to keep track of the number of fouls on Miami's Shaquille O'Neal.)
Also -
Major League Baseball has, though, made some rulings over the years that changed the game's record books. In 1991, a panel led by then-Commissioner Fay Vincent decreed that 50 alleged no-hitters were not actually no-hitters. One of the games that was thrown out of the books was a supposed perfect game by Boston's Ernie Shore; in 1917, Shore retired 27 straight batters after replacing his teammate, then-pitcher Babe Ruth, who had been ejected after walking the first batter.
So such things have been done before, when more was on the line. This wouldn't really change anything other than giving a pitcher a historic feat that he deserved, and making it so that umpire won't be known for the rest of his life as the umpire who cost a pitcher a perfect game.