Darth Sion vs Shimarra

Started by thetruepower2 pages

You don't seem to understand. It is an active power. Not a passive power.

What leads you to believe it is an active power?

Numan it's not an actve power, he's the direct result from Malachor IV or V I forget, a direct result from the wound in the force. He eats the force, meaning if you shoot anything at him, he eats it or absorbs it.

Well there is no evidence that suggests that it automatically happens. I haven't seen this cutscene but apparently there is a cutscene where Nihilus points out his hand kind of like a force push and Sion goes flying backwards, and people have said that it was not a force push but his consumation technique. If all of this is true, then it is clear that he has to stick out his hand to do so, thereby prooving that it is not automatic but active.

He has to stick his hand out? Numan he's a fluke of an existence, he consumes everything force related. Him sticking out his hand was a force attack, a consumption maybe but an attack. If you shoot somethng at him he will just consume it.

It is said that he and the Exile cypher power from those in their company constantly, so no, it's a constant trait.

It is said? Who and when?

KotOR II, the ruins of the Jedi Enclave, when the Jedi Masters are meeting with the exile.

I remember that part

Does that only happen when you take LS path.

Originally posted by Deception
[B]Simus did not keep himself together with blind hate, he had enough power and knowledge to do so, and Kreia herself says that Sion was bound by will, Simus will or no will would have survived regardless, eroding Sion's will kill him, unlike Simus, he would die.

Notice that any Jedi that was intelligent and able to fend off Sion's attacks will be able to defeat him, Obi Wan with his soresu and his abilty to erode Sion's will will take him down. Shimarra, loses purely because of Sion's regeneration ability. No, Sion has an advantage here, he isn't more powerful, he just has blind hate on his side, that keeps him going. It's likely a Shimarra with no training will take down a Sion with no training.

You are again dismissing Sion's will to survive. If he is able to will past the agonizing pain of holding his body together, he is ABSOLUTELY not going to be coerced by Shimarra's talk. Kreia is his only weakness, Shimarra just cannot erode his will.

Why do you think blind hate could sustain Sion? You are dismissing the sheer power and control necessary to resist the pain as well hold a battered body together. If Sion has that type of strength in the dark side, it speaks a lot for him.


Any Sith/Jedi with a brain and average amount of skill will take Sion down. So Kyp Durron is able to control a black hole, does that even put him near Luke in terms of power? No.

Any Jedi Sith with a brain can take Sion down? Master Vash, the one who died on Korriban academy states "he is a volatile brute, easily coerced." She ended up a heaping carcass. Sion is no idiot, he is quite tactical. He's quite strategic, having been able to avoid detection by the Jedi and slaughter their ranks.

No Darth Sion, is likely to have had a mortal body before he entered the state he was in, due to some unknown cause, he crushed his bones and damaged his organs beyond repair, its pure hatred that wills him to live.

If Shimarra discovers his weakness and exploits it, Sion will go down hard. Notice that his force abilities and saber skills are short of amazing.

Um, you seem to state Sion has weak saber skills with absolutely no proof backing your assumptions. Shimarra just CANNOT exploit Sion's weakness, and you have no proof claiming that Shimarra is anywhere in Sions league with respect to saber skills.

I can play your game too. OMG Sion makes Shimarra cry like a *****!!11

Originally posted by Faunus
KotOR II, the ruins of the Jedi Enclave, when the Jedi Masters are meeting with the exile.

The masters were being vague as always...Nihilus and Sion both are never properly defined in the game, and thats why debating on their power is so rediculous because they both could conceivably be unbeatable or weaklings depending on the extent of their capabilities.

When he tried the technique on Revan, he also put out his hand (kind of like how someone would perform a force push or another offensive force attack), so using this as evidence, I believe that it is an active attack. I don't see how people have come to the conclusion that he has some sort of forcefield around him just because he is able to destroy the force.

Originally posted by thetruepower
When he tried the technique on Revan, he also put out his hand (kind of like how someone would perform a force push or another offensive force attack), so using this as evidence, I believe that it is an active attack. I don't see how people have come to the conclusion that he has some sort of forcefield around him just because he is able to destroy the force.

WTF? Revan isn't even in KOTOR 2... what is this bullshit?

Sorry, I meant the Exile.

I guess Sion pwns then?

If Sion is indestructable, like its implied in KOTOR II, then he wins. If he can be killed by, say, decapitation or something then Shimmra wins.

I agree the argument that 'Shimmra could erode his will' is bs.