Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Also, is there any way for you or another mod to delete posts? Because this thread will run quite a few pages, probably over a single issue, and we all know they'll be some bickering and probably spamming along the way. I think keeping the thread clean would be a good idea after so many posts.Unless you keep this open for about a month or two, lock the thread, and "update" every once in a while.
We can delete posts, yeah.
Originally posted by Raisen
I wasn't around for that one........Break skyfather into two tiers: Elite and Standard. Elite would comprise Odin, Zeus and maybe a few others. I'm sure this could be agreed upon.
It's something to consider.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's "Doctor Doom", not "Dr. Doom". Not officially getting his doctorate is integral to his origin story.
Editing.
Originally posted by Galan007
Agree or not, a meta-class character cannot contend with solid heralds as consistently as Iron Man has over his career.
What heralds can he actually contend with?
The only thing that really comes to mind is his fight against Terrax way back and that felt more like luck and prep than anything.
He's been able to fight Hulk (and beat him outright) without use of Hulkbuster Armor. In the Iron Man/Thor mini-series, he did quite well against Ulik and held his own for a time briefly against Thor (though they were both mind controlled). His fights with Doom also come to mind, who's definitely a low herald.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's been able to fight Hulk (and beat him outright) without use of Hulkbuster Armor. In the Iron Man/Thor mini-series, he did quite well against Ulik and held his own for a time briefly against Thor (though they were both mind controlled). His fights with Doom also come to mind, who's definitely a low herald.
Ulik isn't a herald.
I'm well aware of his fights with the Hulk. A lot of people have been able to fight the Hulk and beat him. Considering Hulk's laughably unreliable power-levels I don't feel that it warrants a move up. There are many, many people who have been able to fight the Hulk and beat him. He's prone to extreme lows and highs.
When he fights Doom isn't always a tech-war I feel like. Reed fights him too but we're not moving him up are we?
I think it's important to look at what's prep-stuff and what isn't.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think of Classic Iron Man as being the absolute peak of Sub-Herald, as if he's the line between meta and herald in terms of power.
I agree that he's on the line.
Originally posted by curryman
Ulik isn't a herald.I'm well aware of his fights with the Hulk. A lot of people have been able to fight the Hulk and beat him. Considering Hulk's laughably unreliable power-levels I don't feel that it warrants a move up. There are many, many people who have been able to fight the Hulk and beat him. He's prone to extreme lows and highs.
When he fights Doom isn't always a tech-war I feel like. Reed fights him too but we're not moving him up are we?
I think it's important to look at what's prep-stuff and what isn't.
I agree that he's on the line.
Ulik in the vast majority of his fights against Thor, is able to contend with him to a degree of success in melee combat. His striking power (with pounders) is often compared to Thor's. I'd definitely say that Ulik's overall formidability places him as a low herald at least.
In those instances, Hulk wasn't operating at "weak" levels such as being able to be choked out by pythons or anything. Iron Man's always fighting a uphill battle against Hulk, but the fact he's able to hang in there speaks volumes over his formidability. Just recently, within the past year or two, he was able to put a hurting on Rulk.
Doom edges Iron Man out when it comes to sorcery, but looking at some of Doom's feats (prepless, I might add), I'd argue that the guy is at the least low herald himself, arguably mid-herald. He's shown the capability of handling the entire F4 on his own and has done things such as match Morgan Le Fey's sorcery to even humilate "Classic" Strange. Like Iron Man, Doom is capable of fighting heralds and holding his own without the benefit of prep. And Richards would lose straight up against Doom most of the time in a straight fight. In fact, given Doom's recents feats, I can't even begin to see how Richards could best him one on one.
All of these instances I'm referring to is speaking to Tony's non prep feats.
Okay I didn't see that post since I was mid-editing.
Feel free to remove this then 😛
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doom edges Iron Man out when it comes to sorcery, but looking at some of Doom's feats (prepless, I might add), I'd argue that the guy is at the least low herald himself, arguably mid-herald. He's shown the capability of handling the entire F4 on his own and has done things such as match Morgan Le Fey's sorcery to even humilate "Classic" Strange. Like Iron Man, Doom is capable of fighting heralds and holding his own without the benefit of prep. And Richards would lose straight up against Doom most of the time in a straight fight. In fact, given Doom's recents feats, I can't even begin to see how Richards could best him one on one.All of these instances I'm referring to is speaking to Tony's non prep feats.
Never saw any mid herald get stomped by Thor, Surfer, Sentry, etc as hard as Doom did. I think it's pretty damn clear that unless we're going like Unthinkable-arc Magic Doom then he's not mid herald and putting him in a category where people are killing planets come on...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ulik in the vast majority of his fights against Thor, is able to contend with him to a degree of success in melee combat. His striking power (with pounders) is often compared to Thor's. I'd definitely say that Ulik's overall formidability places him as a low herald at least.
He has good striking power and ok durability. That's it though. He's not in low-herald and that's all there is to it really. He's not a herald.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In those instances, Hulk wasn't operating at "weak" levels such as being able to be choked out by pythons or anything. Iron Man's always fighting a uphill battle against Hulk, but the fact he's able to hang in there speaks volumes over his formidability. Just recently, within the past year or two, he was able to put a hurting on Rulk.
I'm not saying Hulk's at his bottom but he's obviously not anywhere near his peak either now is he? WWH is the one that goes into High Herald. The forum has banned mentioning of Savage Hulk when he's starting out around 80-90 ton but the fact that he doesn't start out in herald is just a simple reality now isn't it?
Hurting Rulk? Okay, that's also good. But he's not really the epitome of power-level stability himself.
Originally posted by armedforbattleHis abilities enough said sure he can use them to defeat Heralds but a human without powers in a herald tier? No. Sure you could argue than why do Pure bricks like Hulk and Juggy who can only use their fist be placed in the herald tier,while Iron Man whose tech can do a lot of stuff only be in the Meta tier....
Why not? People will give tony the win/stalemate over mid heralds all the time. I think he can at least be given Low-herald
Well their is a huge difference between a human and a super giant powerful monster.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666Lol that's me boy 😎
Wbh to high herald -against
Wwh to high herald - for
Wbh to trans - for
Wally west to high herald - for
Iron man to low herald - against
Ghost rider to low herald, if hes going higher? Then im for it of your bumping him down then im against
My final votes
Re: Re: Re: KMC Comic Book tiers 1st Voting thread
Originally posted by dmillsI thought you voted already....and either WBH>>>>>>>>>>>WWH,You still think WBH should be high herald which is the same tier WWH is in?
Adam Warlock to Mid Herald. - For.Aquaman (DCNU) to Low Herald. - For.
Circe to Mid Herald. - For.
Doctor Strange to High Herald. - For.
Flash (Wally West) to High Herald. - For.
Ghost Rider to Low Herald. - For.
Green Goblin (Osborn) to Mid Meta - For.
Hammerhead to Low Meta. - Against.
Iceman to Mid Herald. - Against.
Infinity Man to Trans. - For.
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Iron Man to Low Herald - still up in the air for now.Nimrod to High Herald- against
Nova Prime to Mid Herald - For.
Shaman X-Man to High Herald. - For.
Spider-Man to Mid Meta. - For.
Ultron to High Herald. - For.
WBH to Trans- Still deciding if he's a legit trans, or if he's just a high herald pushing into trans turf when going balls out.
WWH to High Herald. - For.
Originally posted by Cogito
Damn. Seems a little late now, but this should probably be handled one tier at a time. Getting pretty ugly with the tallying process.My 2 cents for what it's worth: The Mid-Herald group is pretty broken. Most of those characters are generally considered HH on these boards. I don't really think anyone thinks of anyone as a mid-herald. Either the herald tier should be better defined (with HH being more exclusive than generally regarded), or most of the mid-herald players need to move.
Looking at it, it's definitely the tier that causes the most issues.