Originally posted by darthsith19
Malak could probably take Dooku in a close one. Bane vs. Kyp is unknown and is speculation but I bet Bane beats Kyp faster than Malak beats Dooku and then Bane and Dooku together pwn Malak.
How would Bane take out Kyp quicker? We know Kyp has more raw force abilities than Bane, and I would put Dooku equal to or above Malak.
Heh, I am not arguing this too in depth, since I dont know enough to make a comparison between the two. However I am assuming since Bane was able to devise a thought bomb technique, and if he was able to orchestrate a gargantuan force storm, I would put him on equal footing with Kyp who "pulled" lightning from the sky,defeated a Vong Slayer, and a weaker Luke Skywalker.
Wow, after saying something like this, I'm not sure the post warrants a response.
First off, Bane didn't thought bomb anything. Kaan did it and it wiped out all of the Sith save Bane and his apprentice. The force storm was purely theoretical, he needed the force power of additional Sith Lords in order to ravage an entire planet, which is impressive enough, but not under his own power.
Kyp did not simply pull lightning from the sky. The fight was in a THUNDERSTORM. The Leviathan was the tallest object in the sky, and he already had his spear stuck in it and acting like a nice lightning rod. He got lucky, which in the universe of Star Wars is the "will of the Force."
And secondly, since when did similar level of force demonstration mean exactly equal combatants? Did the source tell you the two were equally difficult and required equal amounts of force power? No. You inferred it, and made your opinion fact.
Originally posted by Illustrious
Wow, after saying something like this, I'm not sure the post warrants a response.First off, Bane didn't thought bomb anything. Kaan did it and it wiped out all of the Sith save Bane and his apprentice. The force storm was purely theoretical, he needed the force power of additional Sith Lords in order to ravage an entire planet, which is impressive enough, but not under his own power.
Kyp did not simply pull lightning from the sky. The fight was in a THUNDERSTORM. The Leviathan was the tallest object in the sky, and he already had his spear stuck in it and acting like a nice lightning rod. He got lucky, which in the universe of Star Wars is the "will of the Force."
And secondly, since when did similar level of force demonstration mean exactly equal combatants? Did the source tell you the two were equally difficult and required equal amounts of force power? No. You inferred it, and made your opinion fact.
Why would you call it luck Illustrious? I can say Palpatine survived by pure luck, Luke survived against his father and the emperor by pure luck, Ulic was "lucky" to not lose against Sylvar. Why would you even bring luck into this to diminish Kyp's feat? The term "luck" would spark endless debates on this forum. I agree with you on everything else.
It's luck because Kyp Durron didn't harness the heavens and make the lightning bolt strike the spear, tdtd. That's called being a benefactor of circumstance, or "Lucky bastard" if you want to get technical. There's nothing to suggest that it was under Kyp's own physical prowess or force power that made the lightning strike the spear, and certainly nothing that's worth noting in a versus match.
Yes because if they had not reached the senate chamber Yoda would have disarmed him and killed him, but because they were in the senate chamber Sidious managed to force Yoda outside the pod and started tossing pods....but this is not the point, Sidious did stalemate/defeat Yoda because of luck and his power. You say it's because he weight more than Yoda that he managed to stay on the pod, yes that's true, but are you comparing Sidious weight to a bolt of lightning from the sky? At least weight is something that Sidious can affect....
Originally posted by Wesker
It's luck because Kyp Durron didn't harness the heavens and make the lightning bolt strike the spear, tdtd. That's called being a benefactor of circumstance, or "Lucky bastard" if you want to get technical. There's nothing to suggest that it was under Kyp's own physical prowess or force power that made the lightning strike the spear, and certainly nothing that's worth noting in a versus match.
You and Illustrious act as if the Leviathan was casually hit by the lightning. In fact the comic let's Kyp think the following:
"I can use that storm. Like Streen can control the weather. With the force I can call down the lightning." And then the Leviathan is hit.
So it didn't happen because of his force powers ?
Somehow this never happens when I wave my hand in a thunderstorm. It was also new to me that a wooden spear would increase the chances to get hit by lightning.
And let's simply ignore the fact that Kyp, with less than a year of training and armed with only a wooden spear took down one of that creatures spawning of from Sith Alchemy that the Ancient Sith used as "superweapons" on their battlefields thinking that this "was easy enough" after the fight.
Originally posted by Borbarad
You and Illustrious act as if the Leviathan was casually hit by the lightning. In fact the comic let's Kyp think the following:"I can use that storm. Like Streen can control the weather. With the force I can call down the lightning." And then the Leviathan is hit.
So it didn't happen because of his force powers ?
spear would increase the chances to get hit by lightning.
Somehow this never happens when I wave my hand in a thunderstorm. It was also new to me that a [b]woodenAnd let's simply ignore the fact that Kyp, with less than a year of training and armed with only a wooden spear took down one of that creatures spawning of from Sith Alchemy that the Ancient Sith used as "superweapons" on their battlefields thinking that this "was easy enough" after the fight. [/B]
He was still using the power of the storm, not his own force powers.
I dont see why this fight gives him so much credit.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
He was still using the power of the storm, not his own force powers.
He was still controlling the lightning to make it hit the Leviathan
I dont see why this fight gives him so much credit.
Yeah. Taking down a Sith creature that was used as "superweapon" by Ancient Sith armed with a wooden spear only is something that Jedi Master Regular "Joe" Anybody does on every 15th of a month.
Originally posted by Borbarad
He was still [b]controlling the lightning to make it hit the LeviathanYeah. Taking down a Sith creature that was used as "superweapon" by Ancient Sith armed with a wooden spear only is something that Jedi Master Regular "Joe" Anybody does on every 15th of a month. [/B]
1. Controlling the lightning, not summoning it from his own power.
2. However big, its just a beast, not an intelligent opponent.. and he used the storm to kill it not his wooden spear.
How would Bane take out Kyp quicker? We know Kyp has more raw force abilities than Bane, and I would put Dooku equal to or above Malak.
Originally posted by tdtd
There's still no logical reason for you to downplay Kyp's feat by claiming it was luck or it was the storm or the beast was unintelligent.
So you mean he would have defeated it under any other circumstance? He fought it while it was the highest target in the skyline in a damn thunderstorm. The lightning already had a greater chance of striking the leviathan than ANYTHING ELSE.
So is Sidious uber because he can use this awesome phenomenon called "gravity"? "But he still used his force powers to throw the pods!" Is Kyle uber because he can use this incredible nexus of power called the Valley of the Jedi? "But he still swung that saber!"
Like it or not, Kyp benefited from the circumstances. Props on him being resourceful, but that's what you consider as luck: benefiting from the circumstance.