Batman Begins- Majorly Overlooked

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No they didn't deliver! That's just fanboyism. You cannot even compare the two. Batman Begins had better acting and a better storyline than any of those Sony Spiderman flicks. Horrible fight scenes? Where you not paying attention to what Ra said to Bruce in the begining? "This isn't a dance" that implied no fancy moves...strike once to subdue the opponent. Not engage in any fancy foot moves.

Originally posted by Alec Brood
Katie Holmes...

I didn't talk to him and I did watch the movie in a theater. I just didn't like her in the role. But it could have had been worse.

Originally posted by Alec Brood
Katie Holmes...

and about Katie Holmes who was very good in that movie? 😄

Originally posted by brainchild81
YOU accusing me of fanboyism? YOU? 😆 😆 😆 😆 They weren't 1 hit fights though so that means nothing. They were just poorly shot. Why waste time showing him training and then have those subpar fight scenes. Spidey films didn't deliver? I seem to recall box office records being broken. Just because I think Bats Begins fell short of greatness doesn't mean I need be insulted by you. That in itself is fanboyism. You're a mod. You know better.

He's just telling it like it is.Fanboyism is when someone uses absurd logic like your doing again for us right now and not being able to see how poorly a comicbook film really is.He just explained for you like I did,that contrary to what you may think,they were not poorly shot but you just ignore that.Uhh yeah they were one hit fights,thats why it ended so quickly.Maybe the fights were so quick because they were just average ordinary criminals.maybe in the next film when he has a villian to fight who has skills that match his own like his trainer,the fight scenes will be long.His fight scene with his trainer was long because he had fighting skills that matched his own.those others did not.ahhh that old lame absurd logic that the movie delivered because it made so much money at the box office logic. 😆 Obviously it never occured to you it made so much money at the box office because spidey is an extremely popular icon figure.He appeals more so to kids than Bats does so obviously with kids being a huge factor in the success of the film,its going to perform well at the box office.according to YOUR logic,the phantom menace is the best star wars movie ever made of the star wars films,much better than empire strikes back-whom most star wars fans and critics agree is the best star wars movie, because it made so much more money at the box office than Empire did and broke records at that time.. 😆 😆 spidey just like the phantom menace only broke records and made so much money at the box office because of the already well established built in audience they already had.without that built in audience they had,anyone with logic and common sense knows there is no way that they are the blockbusters at the box office they became. 😆

Thanks for sharing Mr Parker. I'm glad you liked Katie Holmes' acting.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
He's just telling it like it is.Fanboyism is when someone uses absurd logic like your doing again for us right now and not being able to see how poorly a comicbook film really is.He just explained for you like I did,that contrary to what you may think,they were not poorly shot but you just ignore that.Uhh yeah they were one hit fights,thats why it ended so quickly.Maybe the fights were so quick because they were just average ordinary criminals.maybe in the next film when he has a villian to fight who has skills that match his own like his trainer,the fight scenes will be long.His fight scene with his trainer was long because he had fighting skills that matched his own.those others did not.ahhh that old lame absurd logic that the movie delivered because it made so much money at the box office logic. 😆 Obviously it never occured to you it made so much money at the box office because spidey is an extremely popular icon figure.He appeals more so to kids than Bats does so obviously with kids being a huge factor in the success of the film,its going to perform well at the box office.according to YOUR logic,the phantom menace is the best star wars movie ever made of the star wars films,much better than empire strikes back-whom most star wars fans and critics agree is the best star wars movie, because it made so much more money at the box office than Empire did and broke records at that time.. 😆 😆 spidey just like the phantom menace only broke records and made so much money at the box office because of the already well established built in audience they already had.without that built in audience they had,anyone with logic and common sense knows there is no way that they are the blockbusters at the box office they became. 😆

Originally posted by brainchild81
😆 We all know about your hatred of the Spidey films. Nobody really cares. You come of as a fanboy who just can't get past the organic webs. Maybe it made so much money because it was an entertaining film? You ever think of that? There's plenty of movies that feature characters kids like. Few make as much as Spidey did. Adults like Spidey too. Begins left me w/an empty feeling. Spidey didn't. Begins looks so great because the other Batfilms were so horrible. You may not like the Spidey movies, but there are plenty of people out there who do. Deal w/it. Maybe you could boycott the next movie or send them a letter. It's still gonna make $$$ so they probably won't care what 1 fanboy thinks🙂. The guy was shouting fanboy before I even mentioned how much Spidey made. Look @ some of his post in threads featuring a certain pointy eared hero. You'll see why. 😆 The fight w/Ra's @ the end wasn't 1 hit genius. It was still lame. Thank you. Didn't you say Elektra was better than Spideyfilms? Wow you'd make a great film critic 🙄 Spidey the worst comic film ever? Riiiight. Riiiiiight. W/Steel, Catwoman & Elektra out there, Spidey's the worst? Sure lil' buddy *patronizes Mr. Parker*

Damn Knightfall why did you have to turn this into a spiderman discussion? well anyhow since you did here goes-

If nobody cares then why are you responding and addressing the posts?LOL.Well your obviously clueless because it was a LOT more than just organics that ruined the movie for me.it was MUCH MUCH more than that.Matter of fact the way it all started out,it was all promising enough and I was actually thinking I would have to eat my words that it would be a horrible movie.the reason being is because the way it all began with the beginning credits,I was really amazed and thought it was really cool,the webbing and all.With the beginning credits and the webbing and all,I was thinking-wow I hate to admit this,but I might have to eat my words,this looks like it actually MIGHT be a good movie.I said all that going into the theater knowing that organics were in the movie dude.However after that,it went downhill from there and sucked from beginning to end.the beginning seriously looked like it was written by a 5 year old.that whole -you all want to know who I am, are you sure you want to know who I am? that whole bit seriously looked like the ideas of a 5 year old. 😆 I would expect to see something like that by a 5 year old for a presentation in a 1st grade class.LOL. the organics were the least thing in that movie that ruined it for me even though I thought that would be the major thing that would ruin it for me.that whole cafeteria scene looked like the ideas of a 5 year old as well,horribly written and again thats the kind of writing I would expect out of a 5 year old.LOL.Well I see your in denial that it was his extreme popularity of his icon status that he is that made it so much money at the box office.again I point out that the phantom menace was a HUGE smash success at the box office and according to YOU its the best star wars movie of all the star wars films since it was so popular at the box office.LOL.such lame and absurd logic you spiderman movie lovers have.few make as much because they are not anywhere news as popular as spidey and star wars are.spidey is easily the most popular comicbook character out there.it was th popularity of his character,deal with it.yes I know adults like it too.I never said that adults didn't like it.But because it was made mostly for kids and not adults,it performed so well at the box office.Batman Begins left you with an empty feeling but Begins did not? not surprising.Batman Begins is a comicbook film geared mostly at adults where the spider-man films are geared mostly at kids,especially the first one so you preferring kiddie comicbook movie over an adult themed comicbook film,of course batman begins is going to leave you with an empty feeling and spiderman wont.LOL.

one fanboy who hates the movies? wow you are more clueless than I give you credit for.sony does not give a crap about the fans and neither does Raimi,they just want to put their own little version and twist on it.Same applies to Tim Burton and his batman movies.they did not give a rats butt about what the fans wanted,they only cared about money and they knew with a popular character like spiderman,they could make money off him no matter how horribly written the film was.if you ever hung out at this now deceased site I used to hang out at everyday before the first movie came out,called no -organic web-shooters.com you would have seen hundreds of people voice their outrage everyday like me about their disgust and anger over the organics being in the film.

of course it wasn't one hit genius,unlike those thugs,Ra's is an opponent who rivals Bruce in fighting skills.Duh.you want to look for lame endings in comicbook films,look no further than the spiderman films.Hell even Burton crapfest Batman 89 did not have the horrible ending those films had.Batman Begins had an awesome ending to it however contrary to what you may think.If you want to watch a kiddie comicbook movie that has the srceeenwriting people would expect to see out of a 5 year old in a first grade class,then yeah stcik with spider-man.However I appreciate comicbook movies that are adult themed and are made mostly for adults,therfore I will stick to adult themed comicbook movies such as Elektra and Batman Begins. 😄 😛 your like those kiddies who loved the phantom menace so much,your so happy that a spiderman movie has FINALLY been brought to the screen,that you refuse to take the blinders off to see how crappy and horribly written they really are.

and oh by the way.About the Catwoman movie,your not going to get any kind of an argument with me on THAT movie because that movie was ALSO a horrible comicbook film as well.It sure makes me wonder if Tim Burton is related to that director of Catwoman because casting the ugly looking Halle Berry for the hot,sexy and seductress Catwoman has got to equal the casting choice of Burton of pudgy gut,receding hairline,half bald,short runt, michael keaton for tall,muscular,handsome,full set of Hair Bruce wayne as easily the worst casting choice in comicbook history. 😘

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Damn Knightfall why did you have to turn this into a spiderman discussion? well anyhow since you did here goes-

If nobody cares then why are you responding and addressing the posts?LOL.Well your obviously clueless because it was a LOT more than just organics that ruined the movie for me.it was MUCH MUCH more than that.Matter of fact the way it all started out,it was all promising enough and I was actually thinking I would have to eat my words that it would be a horrible movie.the reason being is because the way it all began with the beginning credits,I was really amazed and thought it was really cool,the webbing and all.With the beginning credits and the webbing and all,I was thinking-wow I hate to admit this,but I might have to eat my words,this looks like it actually MIGHT be a good movie.I said all that going into the theater knowing that organics were in the movie dude.However after that,it went downhill from there and sucked from beginning to end.the beginning seriously looked like it was written by a 5 year old.that whole -you all want to know who I am, are you sure you want to know who I am? that whole bit seriously looked like the ideas of a 5 year old. 😆 I would expect to see something like that by a 5 year old for a presentation in a 1st grade class.LOL. the organics were the least thing in that movie that ruined it for me even though I thought that would be the major thing that would ruin it for me.that whole cafeteria scene looked like the ideas of a 5 year old as well,horribly written and again thats the kind of writing I would expect out of a 5 year old.LOL.Well I see your in denial that it was his extreme popularity of his icon status that he is that made it so much money at the box office.again I point out that the phantom menace was a HUGE smash success at the box office and according to YOU its the best star wars movie of all the star wars films since it was so popular at the box office.LOL.such lame and absurd logic you spiderman movie lovers have.few make as much because they are not anywhere news as popular as spidey and star wars are.spidey is easily the most popular comicbook character out there.it was th popularity of his character,deal with it.yes I know adults like it too.I never said that adults didn't like it.But because it was made mostly for kids and not adults,it performed so well at the box office.Batman Begins left you with an empty feeling but Begins did not? not surprising.Batman Begins is a comicbook film geared mostly at adults where the spider-man films are geared mostly at kids,especially the first one so you preferring kiddie comicbook movie over an adult themed comicbook film,of course batman begins is going to leave you with an empty feeling and spiderman wont.LOL.

one fanboy who hates the movies? wow you are more clueless than I give you credit for.sony does not give a crap about the fans and neither does Raimi,they just want to put their own little version and twist on it.Same applies to Tim Burton and his batman movies.they did not give a rats butt about what the fans wanted,they only cared about money and they knew with a popular character like spiderman,they could make money off him no matter how horribly written the film was.if you ever hung out at this now deceased site I used to hang out at everyday before the first movie came out,called no -organic web-shooters.com you would have seen hundreds of people voice their outrage everyday like me about their disgust and anger over the organics being in the film.

of course it wasn't one hit genius,unlike those thugs,Ra's is an opponent who rivals Bruce in fighting skills.Duh.you want to look for lame endings in comicbook films,look no further than the spiderman films.Hell even Burton crapfest Batman 89 did not have the horrible ending those films had.Batman Begins had an awesome ending to it however contrary to what you may think.If you want to watch a kiddie comicbook movie that has the srceeenwriting people would expect to see out of a 5 year old in a first grade class,then yeah stcik with spider-man.However I appreciate comicbook movies that are adult themed and are made mostly for adults,therfore I will stick to adult themed comicbook movies such as Elektra and Batman Begins. 😄 😛 your like those kiddies who loved the phantom menace so much,your so happy that a spiderman movie has FINALLY been brought to the screen,that you refuse to take the blinders off to see how crappy and horribly written they really are.

You critiise Mr Parker's arguments (which I disagree with about Spiderman) but then yYOU go and ***** about Batman Begins without any real backing! At least Mr Parker knows how to argue...

There's a STEEL movie?

Yep. It stars Shaq. Mr. Parker thinks it's better than the Spidey films. See it and get back to me. I think you'll have a newfound "respect" for Mr.Parkers opinion 😈

Originally posted by Syndicate_Lord
You critiise Mr Parker's arguments (which I disagree with about Spiderman) but then yYOU go and ***** about Batman Begins without any real backing! At least Mr Parker knows how to argue...

These are from the BB/Sin City thread.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS I think this is the only time we ever agreed on anything
Problems with Batman;

Action was sensored by camera angles that were too tight.
Gordon was comic relief.
Picky writers couldn't decide what parts to stay true to and what parts to alter, considering budget wasn't much of a problem.
Bale tried a little too hard to do the voice.
The mask could have been a little better.

Problems with Sin city;

It wasn't 4 hours longer.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Agreed. Bale really over did the voice and was a bit to stiff as Batman. Keaton's Bat was definately better in IMO. He was more cool and collected, while Bale seemed more unpredictable. I guess Goyer and Bale were attempting to give us their own take on the Bat.

Originally posted by Rafkins_Warning
I have to vote Sin City... it was FAR more interesting to watch than the boring Batman Begins... I mean the first time I saw that it nearly put me to sleep... Sin City wasn't the best movie ever made but it did pretty well to be a comic brought to the big screen... BB was just boring as hell.

On a related note... I should totally write a fanfiction where Miho versus Batman... but it would be quick, and pointless... because she would kill him dead in under a millisecond... she's just so kick ass that way.....

Originally posted by who?-kid
Sin City > Batman Begins.

Sin City was a small masterpiece. Batman Begins was not bad, but nothing special, seen it, done it, those kinds of things. Bale was okay, and the movie had some great moments, but the end sucked big time !

Dude, why use other people's arguments|?

😆 read what it says under my name.

It's true!

actually, that picture summed it up quite nicely

I didn't mind Bale's voice (it was good) until he did the weird growl talking to Flass

and ahhah, u have to read Batman & Robin #2 to make the connection 😎

eh?

Originally posted by brainchild81
😆 All that? Your credibility honestly went right out the window when you said you liked Elektra.😆 What color is the sky in your world? Those kids you talk of have better taste than you. If you think Spideyfilms are the worst comic films ever, there's no point in debating this w/you. Everybody has a right to opinion, but when a fanboy starts calling somebody else a fanboy just for voicing their opinion, something's wrong😆. If you had any taste in movies my feelings might be hurt, but you liked Elektra so you obviously don't. You went into the Spidey films hoping they'd be bad so you could say "I was right". That bad screenwriting you saw is a result of that. The fight with Ras sucked on all levels it was horribly shot. I'm finished with this though. Not gonna waste anymore time arguing about taste in movies w/somebody who likes Elektra. 😆 Have a nice day.

No that would be you who lost all your credibility when you said you liked SPIDER-MAN but didnt like Batman Begins and then ignorantly said spider-man delivered, 😆 No those kids that liked Elektra but didnt like the spider-man films have better taste than you do. 😆 and if YOU think Batman Begins did not deliver but spider-man did,then theres no point in debating you.Me and Knightfall dont care much for each other but he even he admitted I know how to argue and back up my points unlike you.LOL.well guess its time for your feelings to be hurt since I have good taste in movies.Dont cry too hard.LOL.

No since you liked the spider-man films,YOU obviously dont have good tatse in comicbook films.I have met kids that have better tatse than you do.I used to work at a toy store once and I heard some kids talking about how much they hated the spider-man films because of the fact organics were in the movie.one said-didnt he like mix some chemicals together and like create the webbing in the comics and shoot it out of mechical devices on his wrists or something though? and they all replied and said-yeah he did,yeah that movie really sucked,I cant believe they didnt have him doing that.see unlike YOU,those kids are true spidey fans and can spot a horrible comicbook film when the see one.you keep making one false assumption afer another because I already said I actually expected to like the movie when it started out promising enough with the beginning credits.that part was cool so naturally since it started off so promising enough,I naturally expected it to be good after that point.

But as I said before,it went downhill bigtime from there to the end with that grade school writing I would expect to see in a first grade class of-you want to know who I am? you sure you want to know who I am? then that moronic cafeteria scene,another kind of story telling I would expect to find in a grade school class.LOL. even the story telling in the Burton/schumacher batman films were not full of near as much kiddie stuff grade school writing as the stuff like that present in those crappy man-spider movies. 😘 you keep coming back making one false assumption after anoother because I keep shooting down your weak and lame logic that you never have any comebacks for.that being the case,you keep coming up with one false assumption after another.No your thinking of the cheesy special effects of the first spider-man movie that was horribly shot.Sony obviously learned from the first film,that the special effects were cheesy and horribly shot thats why they were much improved in the second film and unlike the first film,ahd pretty amazing special effects that even made me gow-wow.No that bad screewriting I saw is the result of an incompetent screenwriter,the screenwriting of for the seconf film didnt have anywhere near as many cheesy lines and horrible screenwriting,so that one wasnt near as bad as the first,yet I expected that one to be just as horrible if not worse than the first one.so you once AGAIN show you are clueless in what you are talking about.Like knightfall said so well,unlike me,you dont know how to argue your points. Good to see your finished because I am not going to waste anymore time with a man-spider fan arguing tatse in movies over someone who likes the crappy man-spider movies but doesnt like Batman Begins.thanks,I'll do that,I'll have a nice day.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Yep. It stars Shaq. Mr. Parker thinks it's better than the Spidey films. See it and get back to me. I think you'll have a newfound "respect" for Mr.Parkers opinion 😈 If by argue you mean type long strings of bullsh*t, then yes, he does know how to argue😆. What would you qualify as real backing? I've listed all the problems I had w/the movie(not bi**hing). I never said it was horrible, I just said it fell short of true greatness. (Short & to the point is how I post. If you don't think my argument was long enough, I'm sorry, but I'm not wasting any great arguing power on somebody who likes Elektra's movie.🙂 )It did. Many batfans agree. There are people here who I've never agreed w/before on anything else that were let down by this film the same way I was.

These are from the BB/Sin City thread.

I disagree w/you on Begins, but I'm not going to be a child and accuse you of fanboyism just because you disagree. I'm better than that.
Somebody made this using actual captions from Robin in a recent book😆

actually I had never heard of that movie so I never saw THAT movie so I have never seen that one.Mine have shot down your weak arguments repeatedly and you cant refute them. 🙄 somebody who likes the spider-man movies but not batman begins is someone people should not waste their time arguing with.using other peoples quotes doesnt offer any backing,for every one of those you can come up with that criticise Batman Begins,I can come up with just as many that criticise the spider-man movies from the spider-man section of people that have voiced their disgust for those movies,so you coming up with that proves no backing at all. that would be YOU who goes on with long strings of bull$hit.I refute your points each time and you keep coming back everytime with ano false assumption after another because you cant refute them and admit your points have been shot down. 🙄