Originally posted by blackfog
Colossus has a 6/7 strength and a 4/7 Fighting Ability (only a four back in 96 and down)Wonder woman has a 6 or 7 strength and a four Fighting but however has expirience flight and other powers/skills that colossus does not so WW has got this and pretty quick shes used to muscle bound guys
Originally posted by olympianHe may have been. But we don't know how much of the weight he had. Colossus or any powerhouse could have done the same. It's not a accurate feat.He actually does. He was part of the crew who caught the Nefaria -
trowing - million of ton - island feat.
Originally posted by olympianColossus has also knocked classic Juggernaut on his @ss twice in the same fight. And tossed She-Hulk aside like a little girl. Heck he even went toe to toe with the original Sasquatch.
And then he has the matches with other big guns when he has done well: Thor. Abomination. Hyperion (where they had the earth or the planet they wer in, shake or something to that effect). Gladiator. Hulk, etc.Colossus only has the Gladiator one, and that was before Glads was written as "pre crisis" Superman lite.
When Colossus fought Gladiator he was written with his current powerlevel. When Colossus smashed him with a huge concrete pillar Glads didn't even budge. He just stood there.
Originally posted by Silent MasterWM didn't stop the press if I remember right. He tried, but failed. So that isn't a feat either. And helping somebody do something also isn't a feat. Sh!t I could help Arnold lift 600lbs but that doesn't mean I did it or even 1/3 of it.
There is still Wonderman lifting the 50,000 tons and helping to support an Island big enough to have a mountain on it, and last I checked the Gladiator/Colossus match was before Gladiator was shown as a high end cl 100 character
Gladiator has always been a class 100 character. He fought Glads the around the same time the FF did. That's purely speculation on your part. You have no proof only assumptions.
Colossus has actually stopped the hydraulic press in the danger room while it was stuck at full power. A press this size has to be over 1,000 tons per side. And that's being generous.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossussmashinthedangerroom.jpg
WM and Colossus are on the same strength level.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
WM didn't stop the press if I remember right. He tried, but failed. So that isn't a feat either. And helping somebody do something also isn't a feat. Sh!t I could help Arnold lift 600lbs but that doesn't mean I did it or even 1/3 of it.
He did stop it, he just didn't think he could get out of the way in time if he were to let go
Gladiator has always been a class 100 character. He fought Glads the around the same time the FF did. That's purely speculation on your part. You have no proof only assumptions.
The Gladiator/FF fight happened after the Colossus one
Colossus has actually stopped the hydraulic press in the danger room while it was stuck at full power. A press this size has to be over 1,000 tons per side. And that's being generous.
50,000 > 1,000 and there is still the Island example
WM and Colossus are on the same strength level.
No, they're really not
Originally posted by Silent MasterI'm not saying your wrong. I don't remember it that way. You have a scan?
He did stop it, he just didn't think he could get out of the way in time if he were to let go
Originally posted by Silent MasterI know this. But the time gap is very small.The Gladiator/FF fight happened after the Colossus one
Originally posted by Silent Master1,000 is just a guess. It's a huge @ss press that was at full power. It may have been much higher than that. And he had two stop two presses. And the island example he had help doing. Not a good example of strength.50,000 > 1,000 and there is still the Island example
Originally posted by Silent MasterWell being they are both rated at level 6 strength yes they are. 😄No, they're really not
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I'm not saying your wrong. I don't remember it that way. You have a scan?
I have the book somewhere, it's only a matter of finding it.
I know this. But the time gap is very small.
And nothing in the Colossus fight shows Gladiator was a cl100/top tier character
1,000 is just a guess. It's a huge @ss press that was at full power. It may have been much higher than that. And he had two stop two presses.
1,000 x 2= 2,000 or 1/25th of 50,000
And the island example he had help doing. Not a good example of strength.
Different Island, this was the one the Avengers hydrobase was on, Sue at first says that he is only taking some of the weight off her force-field a panel or so later she says that he is lifting it.
Well being they are both rated at level 6 strength yes they are. 😄 [/B]
And the Living Tribunal and Thor are both listed as 7, doesn't mean their strength is anywhere close to each other(extreme example)
Originally posted by Silent MasterWell please do. It's not in the WM respect thread.
I have the book somewhere, it's only a matter of finding it.
Originally posted by Silent MasterThey were fighting, not lifting weights. Colossus smashed him on the head with a huge @ss pillar and Glads just stood there with his arms on his hips smiling. BTW Colossus is alot stronger now than he was then too.And nothing in the Colossus fight shows Gladiator was a cl100/top tier character
Originally posted by Silent MasterI can do basic math. But I don't think your listening to me. I just put those numbers out there. They could be much higher.1,000 x 2= 2,000 or 1/25th of 50,000
Originally posted by Silent MasterWhy wasn't this feat in his respect thread? I need to see it.Different Island, this was the one the Avengers hydrobase was on, Sue at first says that he is only taking some of the weight off her force-field a panel or so later she says that he is lifting it.
Originally posted by Silent MasterLevel 7 strengh varies the most. That mean that they are incalcuable. Level 6 means they have a measureable limit.And the Living Tribunal and Thor are both listed as 7, doesn't mean their strength is anywhere close to each other(extreme example)
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well please do. It's not in the WM respect thread.
IIRC it was either Avengers 192 or 193, I should be able to find it.
They were fighting, not lifting weights. Colossus smashed him on the head with a huge @ss pillar and Glads just stood there with his arms on his hips smiling. BTW Colossus is alot stronger now than he was then too.
Going by their feats he hasn't increased anywhere near as much as Gladiator has since that showing.
I can do basic math. But I don't think your listening to me. I just put those numbers out there. They could be much higher.
Or much lower
Why wasn't this feat in his respect thread? I need to see it.
It also happened in the Avengers
Level 7 strengh varies the most. That mean that they are incalcuable. Level 6 means they have a measureable limit.
Isn't the Thing also listed as a 6?
I don't have a scanner but, from Avnegers#307
The land supporting the Island where the Avengers hydrobase is located is crumbling beneath it and the Island is threating to slide off into the ocean, currently Sue is using her forcefields to keep from tilting far enough to slid off.
Now from the issue
Sue:Reed it's too much! I feel like my head is going to burst
Reed:Try broadening your wedge,Sue, shift the centers of strength to...
Sue:wait! look! out of the western sky, it's...
Wonderman:Well not sky king, Richards..but I hope Wonderman will do!
Reed:It's the west coast Avengers! and not a moment too soon
Wonderman:Not "west caost" anymore,remember! we're all just one big happy team of Avengers now...and that means this Island is just as much my turf as the west coast coompund! and I'd sure gate to see it go splot!
And now that the context is taken care off, here is the important parts
Sue:He...he's taking some of the pressure off my force field!
Reed:but ...how? surely Wonderman's rocket belt doesn't have the strength to..wait! look! Wonderman is straining! could it be the rockets on his belt are somehow linked to his own mutated life energy
Sue:As you said youself Reed... Time to consider that later, he's leveling the Island, but it's still in danger of toppling
Reed:Yes... we must modify our approach, drop your field let
Wonderman take the full weight!
Wonderman:Hey! do you mind Richards? I'm already busting my back as it is!
As for Avengers#192 and the press, Wonderman holds it for 9 panels until Tony helps pull him clear.
Tony:got it, the worker's free, now you can jump clear
Wonderman:I-I-I can't, the threads on this thing are stripped if I jump out head first It'll slam down on the lower half of my torso, likewise for the other half, if I try feet first, and though my super hard body might be able to take it...
Tony:then trust me,Simon and let go, your only chance is to come out.
"He may have been. But we don't know how much of the weight he had. Colossus or any powerhouse could have done the same. It's not a accurate feat."
There wer only 4 avengers there and only one claimed he wasent able to handle the weight. That was IM.
616 colossus never handled even close as far as i am aware.
And he still lacks the record WM has with definite top tiers.
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"Colossus has also knocked classic Juggernaut on his @ss twice in the same fight. And tossed She-Hulk aside like a little girl. Heck he even went toe to toe with the original Sasquatch."
Wasent that skills?. We all know Juggernaut, a drunk one at that already punked him easily. Colossus only had one shot.
Classic She Hulk was never top tier.
Classic Sasquatch its the only impressive showing he had with a conclusive top tier by then and it was clear who was stronger.
Whats impressive about Colossus considering he is a "brick" its mostly skills and his agility.
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"Gladiator has always been a class 100 character. He fought Glads the around the same time the FF did. That's purely speculation on your part. You have no proof only assumptions"
Sorry Snoop. Your wrong in that regard.
The first time he started being a total beast was with the FF figth. Not before.
And Thing back then who was *punked ugly* by Glads was stronger than Colosuss. As seen by a better figthing track record.
About the island Graviton (my mistake, though was Nefaria) feat:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8125/avengers162zz.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3826/avengers176up.jpg
Has Colossus even with help ever done something this impressive?
Originally posted by olympianThe bottom line is he didn't do it by himself. Thor could have easily did 75% of it considering he did lift the Midgard Serpeant.There wer only 4 avengers there and only one claimed he wasent able to handle the weight. That was IM.
616 colossus never handled even close as far as i am aware.
And he still lacks the record WM has with definite top tiers.
Originally posted by olympianJuggernaut can get drunk? He don't even need to breath or eat. He drinks for the fun of it. Colossus was the one who was drunk and he actually stumbled into Juggernaut spilling his drink. Colossus was the one who was drunk and considering that he did pretty well.Wasent that skills?. We all know Juggernaut, a drunk one at that already punked him easily. Colossus only had one shot.
Originally posted by olympianGladiator had like 6 appearances before that. It was impossible to gauge his power level at that time. 😱The first time he started being a total beast was with the FF figth. Not before.
Champion beat the crap out of WM easier than he did Colossus. That was most cause Colossus was more durable than WM. Colossus lasted almost a full round against him.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
The bottom line is he didn't do it by himself. Thor could have easily did 75% of it considering he did lift the Midgard Serpeant.
Even if Thor did 75% of it, Ironman said it weighed millions of tons so going by the lowest number of 2 million, that would mean that Wonderman lifted at least 166,666 tons.
Champion beat the crap out of WM easier than he did Colossus. That was most cause Colossus was more durable than WM. Colossus lasted almost a full round against him.
Champion didn't beat WM, Simon got DQ'd for ripping up the ring.
"The bottom line is he didn't do it by himself. Thor could have easily did 75% of it considering he did lift the Midgard Serpeant."
And id agree that the one who held most of the weight was Thor.
But considering we also have the "almost" Thor lifting feat he has on its own and this one, together with going against Hyperion making the surface they wer in, shake, i say Colossus isent on the same level. He doesnt have the top tier record.
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"Juggernaut can get drunk? He don't even need to breath or eat. He drinks for the fun of it. Colossus was the one who was drunk and he actually stumbled into Juggernaut spilling his drink. Colossus was the one who was drunk and considering that he did pretty well."
A bar fight wich was cut clear he was outclassed.
But your right in one regard yeah. Jugs wasent the drunk one, my mistake on that one.
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"Gladiator had like 6 appearances before that. It was impossible to gauge his power level at that time"
It actually isent. You draw a line with the FF fight.
See how he was written before that.
See how he was written in and therefore that.
Wich was definatly uber?
