Mace Windu and Kar Vastor VS. Yoda and Anakin Skywalker

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yes, but you didn't reference that point; you just said "he's the only black guy" without any reference, so I corrected you.

Common sense is your ally.

Yes, Kar uses Vibroshields, not a lightsaber. Thats why I said Mace is the only black man with a lightsaber in this fight, because he is. lol

Anyways, Mace couldn't beat Kar in a "straight" fight after being stabbed through the stomach by Depa's lightsaber. Mace was exhausted and hurtin really REALLY badly when he and Kar dueled.

lol, the poll is 50/50

Who cares about the poll, people that use the poll are the ones who don't actually post an argument.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Actually I hope they all just kill each other. Mace and his purple lightsaber really get on my nerve and then add his 'im da man' attitude and that ruins my Star Wars experience. Yoda is a two footass hole who is so arrogant he didnt notice that Palpatine was the Dark Lord of the Sith plus his accent pisses me off. I dont really know enough about Kar to have an opinion but he can die just for my enjoyment. Finally there is Anakin who chopped off the great Count Dookus head which caused the whole Star Wars saga to be ruined.

Mace WIndu IS the man. Dooku's a P*ssy anyways... Fat bastard.

Originally posted by tdtd
Who cares about the poll, people that use the poll are the ones who don't actually post an argument.

Polls blow.

I still remember one poll where every informed individual chose Nadd yet there were still invisible members that decided Sidious would win.

lol

All I said was the poll was 50/50...

just thought it was interesting...no need to jump down my throat for no reason tdtd. You tend to do that...you should really work on that.

I didnt actually say it mattered, just that it was 50/50, which its not anymore.

I voted in favor of Mace because balance disturbs me and I always bet on black.

LOL

Originally posted by Blaxican_Hydra
Mace WIndu IS the man. Dooku's a P*ssy anyways... Fat bastard.

Oh really? And you base ths on what?

I base it on the fact he practices a style of dueling based on lightsaber vs lightsaber combat. The only way Mace would have a chance against the great Count Dooku would be if he picked up a blaster and started shooting him.

Just because Makashi is designed for lightsaber vs lightsaber combat, it doesn't mean that it is the best form for saber dueling. IMO Mace Windu with his style of Vaapad and his shatterpoint ability is a greater dueler then Dooku with his style of Makashi.

Actually, Makashi is the "Refinement of saber to saber duelling". That would make it the best style for saber to saber combat, apparently. I realize that Vaapad sounds kickass and was totally hyped, but nowhere does it say or show that Vaapad is better than Makashi at what Makashi is made for.

I see where you are coming from, but Vaapad is nether specifically stated to be designed for a single type of combat (unlike Soresu (blaster fire) and Makashi (lightsaber)) but is stated to be the most deadly of all of the forms, and every practitioner that we have seen has always been exceptional at saber dueling (Sora Bulq and Depa Billaba were exceptional). Plus the fact that Mace Windu created Vaapad and the fact that he utilises his shatterpoint ability put him on a whole different level IMO.

Form II
The ultimate refinement of lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat became Form II, advancing the precision of blade manipulation to its finest possible degree and producing the greatest dueling masters the galaxy has ever seen.
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Really, it isn't in the original author's intent of the form, and while I remember Shatterpoint the novel all but fellating the form, it was the Shatterpoint technique that made Vaapad more dangerous than just any other form, along with his borderline darkside philosophy.
Yes, Mace is likely very comparable to Dooku for sheer skill and ability, and a battle between them would be intense, but Vaapad itself isn't superior to Makashi. Dooku would WTFrape any other practitioner of the form with relative ease.

Depa would be a challenge, I'd say, but he's already disposed of Bulq with impunity:

That looks like an owned pic.

Damn. I forgot the ''pwn3d'' at the bottom of my post.

I believe Mace is the only master of the form?(correct me if Im wrong)

It wouldnt be fair to judge the strength of Vaapad in comparison to Makashi when Dooku is a master of his form, whereas Bulq was not.