Which is bigger, God or everything.

Originally posted by AOR
So, in essence, evil was never created, and therefore not part of "everything"

In my way of thinking, that is part of God and there is no beginning or creation of God.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In my way of thinking, that is part of God and there is no beginning or creation of God.

But if we've established that God created "everything", than God is by default greater if "all things dwell in him".

Originally posted by AOR
But if we've established that God created "everything", than God is by default greater if "all things dwell in him".

I've never established that God created "everything". IMO there is no point of creation. Creation is continuous.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I've never established that God created "everything". IMO there is no point of creation. Creation is continuous.

Than your reply, as well as mine, is simply relative....as is this entire thread....

God can do all, but how would you explain something all good creating all evil?

Originally posted by AOR
Than your reply, as well as mine, is simply relative....as is this entire thread....

All things are relative at some level.

Our conception of knowledge is relative to the human senses and mode of processing.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
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So there is something God cannot do?

Yes, since he's perfect and always right, He cannot contradict himself.

Originally posted by docb77
Yes, since he's perfect and always right, He cannot contradict himself.

But God is omnipotent. How can something that is omnipotent be limited?

Who says he's omnipotent (in the fullest sense of that word), I just think he's more powerful than anyone can imagine.

Originally posted by docb77
Who says he's omnipotent (in the fullest sense of that word), I just think he's more powerful than anyone can imagine.

The bible says that God is omnipotent.

Are you a Christian?

Yes, I am a Christian (LDS). But the Bible never actually uses the word omnipotent. The closest it gets is to say that "with God all things are possible"

Now on the surface I admit that looks like a statement of omnipotence. But look at it another way. The bible writers tend to paint with broad strokes. For example, Jesus says that with faith like a mustard seed you can move mountains. In that parable He says that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and it grows into the largest of all trees. Now any herbologist can tell you that there are seeds much smaller than the mustard seed. And anyone who's been to the redwoods can tell you that those trees are bigger than a mustard tree. What Jesus illustrated was a faith that is living and grows into something bigger. Eastern peoples tended to think like that, broad strokes - big message. Us westerners tend to think more like an architect - say exactly what you mean and interpret what you hear exactly as it was said.

So was God omnipotent? Yes, but this could be a big brush painting us a picture.

Originally posted by docb77
Yes, I am a Christian (LDS). But the Bible never actually uses the word omnipotent. The closest it gets is to say that "with God all things are possible"

Now on the surface I admit that looks like a statement of omnipotence. But look at it another way. The bible writers tend to paint with broad strokes. For example, Jesus says that with faith like a mustard seed you can move mountains. In that parable He says that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and it grows into the largest of all trees. Now any herbologist can tell you that there are seeds much smaller than the mustard seed. And anyone who's been to the redwoods can tell you that those trees are bigger than a mustard tree. What Jesus illustrated was a faith that is living and grows into something bigger. Eastern peoples tended to think like that, broad strokes - big message. Us westerners tend to think more like an architect - say exactly what you mean and interpret what you hear exactly as it was said.

So was God omnipotent? Yes, but this could be a big brush painting us a picture.

What you are saying is exactly what I mean when I talk about the difference between factual truth and mystic truth.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What you are saying is exactly what I mean when I talk about the difference between factual truth and mystic truth.

Ah, I see. But then we also have to agree that mystic truth still contains truth, even if its not precise. Two vague statements that contradict each other still make the point. Only one of the two "mystic truths" can be true. If I used broad brush strokes to paint a lush green valley and said it was the sahara, and another person used the broad strokes to paint a dessert scene and said it was the sahara, then of course I would be wrong. (Now if I said a possible sahara we're talking a different story, but religion is rarely about possibilities and more often about truth.)

Originally posted by docb77
Ah, I see. But then we also have to agree that mystic truth still contains truth, even if its not precise. Two vague statements that contradict each other still make the point. Only one of the two "mystic truths" can be true. If I used broad brush strokes to paint a lush green valley and said it was the sahara, and another person used the broad strokes to paint a dessert scene and said it was the sahara, then of course I would be wrong. (Now if I said a possible sahara we're talking a different story, but religion is rarely about possibilities and more often about truth.)

But if your paining had been a depiction of the Sahara tens of thousands of years ago it would also be true.

When I say mystic, all I mean is mystery not fails hood. Try to describe something undesirable, you cannot do it. If I were to tell you how tall God was, I would always be wrong. If I told you anything about God, I would be wrong in some way.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But if your paining had been a depiction of the Sahara tens of thousands of years ago it would also be true.

When I say mystic, all I mean is mystery not fails hood. Try to describe something undesirable, you cannot do it. If I were to tell you how tall God was, I would always be wrong. If I told you anything about God, I would be wrong in some way.

But you would be somewhat true, like the 6 blind men of Indostan.

Originally posted by AOR
But you would be somewhat true, like the 6 blind men of Indostan.

I thought about going down that path, but Deb would have thrown things at me. 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I thought about going down that path, but Deb would have thrown things at me. 😆

😆 I now know that poem by heart, thanks to you. Truthful and a catchy tune, a poem lover's dream 😄

Originally posted by AOR
😆 I now know that poem by heart, thanks to you. Truthful and a catchy tune, a poem lover's dream 😄

You are welcome... 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are welcome... 😆

So, now that we've settled the fact that not only our opinions relative, but also somewhat right and fully wrong, what do we do now?