Originally posted by Aries_04
I have just about all of his most meaningful scans.....I"ve posted them here before.....people don't seem to give a damn that he's taken down the likes of Juggernaut. I could post them if you want.
Do a respect thread in the comics section for all to see. This guy seems real cool.
Re: Re: Re: Agent Zero would own Spiderman (I have evidence)
Originally posted by Aries_04
Zero is Bishop with vibranium armor and wrist cannons....WTF?
no, he's not. bishop absorbs EVERY kind of energy, amplifies it, and can rechannel it in a variety of ways. MAVERICK could absorb kinetic energy, and rechannel it in about three ways. he could fire blasts, create intense heat, or supercharge his fighting tactics to hit with greater strength/speed. he didn't rechannel it to develop superspeed, ever. he selectively rechanneled it about twice to increase his jumping ability and swing his feet quickly. that's not spider-man level at all.
agent zero has shown none of maverick's original abilities. the idea that he wears a vibranium suit may very well indicate that he no longer has those original abilities. agent zero is a ****ing waste of panel space and is tieri's sole contribution to one of the greatest characters in x-men history. i said it. agent zero DESTROYED everything good about maverick.
and he couldn't take spider-man.
Based of what I've seen in terms of him amping up his abilities he still doesn't seem Spipder-Man to me. That said i CAN see him beating Spidey cause of his other lil extras. Will he win the majority? Doubt it, but I would see the scans where he beats Juggernaut. No offense to anyone but I hope that that was powered down Juggs, otherwise I will find it hard to believe
Re: Re: Re: Re: Agent Zero would own Spiderman (I have evidence)
Originally posted by Disappear
no, he's not. bishop absorbs EVERY kind of energy, amplifies it, and can rechannel it in a variety of ways. MAVERICK could absorb kinetic energy, and rechannel it in about three ways. he could fire blasts, create intense heat, or supercharge his fighting tactics to hit with greater strength/speed. he didn't rechannel it to develop superspeed, ever. he selectively rechanneled it about twice to increase his jumping ability and swing his feet quickly. that's not spider-man level at all.agent zero has shown none of maverick's original abilities. the idea that he wears a vibranium suit may very well indicate that he no longer has those original abilities. agent zero is a ****ing waste of panel space and is tieri's sole contribution to one of the greatest characters in x-men history. i said it. agent zero DESTROYED everything good about maverick.
and he couldn't take spider-man.
The enhanced leaping I'm aware of ......the swinging the feet quickly I'm not. But there had to be some degree of superspeed involved in that feat. Zero is already close to Wolverine levels of speed and quickness already do to the Weapn X program....anything higher would be considered superspeed. And I never said that he was on Spidermans level of speed....only that he would probably have just enough to make it interesting and probably get the win.
If I titled the thread "Agent Zero could make it interesting against Spiderman".....nobody would respond. And if you believe Tieri destroyed Zero...that's fair...but opinions vary.
And originally Bishop couldn't absorb all kinds of energy....especially not kinetic energy. Then all of a sudden in one of his appearances he was absorbing the KE from snowflakes hitting him on the shoulder or something......bad writing.
Originally posted by Thunderstrike
Maybe it's kinda like Slade's slo-mo vision. It's not really precognition, but it's close.
I don't think Agent Zero has speed on the level of Spiderman or Slade, but I think he could beat Spiderman a few times given his powerset/skill....maybe. Probably not at all if Spiderman has gotten upgrades, if so, he's even more above streetlevel than he was before.
i think tieri destroyed maverick by making him zero. destroying zero doesn't seem possible, given his sheer lack of anything worth destroying.
in maverick issue 12, maverick jumped around a hydra plane with his feet glowing, even swinging them around as super-fast bludgeons. it's no different than what he did with his punches, only using his legs. doesn't count as superspeed. at the end of the issue, he fell out of the airplane onto some snow-capped mountain and had to cauterize his own now-eyeless socket. and then in his next appearance, all was forgotten. hooray for weapon x...
he still couldn't take spider-man, even if he had his original maverick powers matched with his agent zero upgrades. but since we don't know whether he does or not, it really makes no difference. and this is from a diehard maverick fan. if paola hadn't closed the 'respect maverick' thread, i would've posted scans from his series, the oneshot and his x-men unlimited appearances. but, alas...
also, "combat precognition" was what his original powers were intended to be, but they never made it on-panel. he was supposed to be able to see his opponent's next move coming, making him a 'mister x' type fighter. it's kind of like what happened with marrow, back when she was sarah.
Originally posted by Disappear
i think tieri destroyed maverick by making him zero. destroying zero doesn't seem possible, given his sheer lack of anything worth destroying.in maverick issue 12, maverick jumped around a hydra plane with his feet glowing, even swinging them around as super-fast bludgeons. it's no different than what he did with his punches, only using his legs. doesn't count as superspeed. at the end of the issue, he fell out of the airplane onto some snow-capped mountain and had to cauterize his own now-eyeless socket. and then in his next appearance, all was forgotten. hooray for weapon x...
he still couldn't take spider-man, even if he had his original maverick powers matched with his agent zero upgrades. but since we don't know whether he does or not, it really makes no difference. and this is from a diehard maverick fan. if paola hadn't closed the 'respect maverick' thread, i would've posted scans from his series, the oneshot and his x-men unlimited appearances. but, alas...
also, "combat precognition" was what his original powers were intended to be, but they never made it on-panel. he was supposed to be able to see his opponent's next move coming, making him a 'mister x' type fighter. it's kind of like what happened with marrow, back when she was sarah.
Oh please you're clearly MUCH more of a Spiderman fan. I can't tell you how many times I've seen that weak argument......claiming to be a fan of one character while trashing them....in order to glorify the character that you REALLY admire.
Neither of those are examples of him amping his speed either....which he is able to do. After Zero caught the legacy virus and was cured of it....his powers were operating at their peak levels and stayed there.....he is still capable of those feats.....he just doesn't have much use for them now. If he catches you once with a corrossive blast...you're cooked.
And unless you're not finished slamming Zero....I'll retire on that note.....right after I finish putting up his respect thread soon.
i have three spider-man comics to my credit. i have the entire maverick series, his one-shot, and an issue apiece of x-men and x-men unlimited featuring him. so i'd say i'm at least five times in favor of maverick. i do not, however, have a damn issue of tieri's weapon x series, though i've read them all. i would gladly argue in maverick's defense for just about anything, but agent zero is not maverick, and is not a character i at all care for. please don't tell me where my opinions fall.
do you have any evidence of him ever "amping" his speed? because i have fifteen issues that say he's never done it. he's selectively accelerated his limbs in a combat situation, hitting with ten times the strength of a normal blow. but he has never achieved superhuman locomotion. not once.
agent zero has not displayed any of maverick's abilities, and your claim that he "has no use for them" is as valid as my claim that he doesn't have them. neither are backed by canon fact, and both could make sense in certain situations. fact is, maverick was remade into a monstrosity of a character, both in regards to weapon x and tieri's reworking of his character, and was intended by the project to be the perfect tool to hunt wolverine and/or sabretooth. even with his upgrades, you cannot pull off a convincing "win" for zero without dumbing down spider-man's abilities.
"agent zero would own spiderman" my ass. all you've put up as a defense to that statement is "if he hits spider-man, he's toast." that's a big ****in' if, considering he's fighting a character who senses impending danger and is zero's physical superior in every sense. make a "maverick would own spiderman" thread, and i'll work my fingers to the bone looking for justification. but give this "agent zero rox, lolzorz" shit a rest.