DC fighters Vs. Marvel fighters

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Batman has never beaten Shiva. In that Superman/ Batman series he put down a mind controlled Shiva... but that hardly counts. Batman has pretty much admited that Cass is a better fighter the he is and are you talking about their little spar that had Bruce looking superior... then coughing up blood? Connar Hawke is better then Batman, Shiva thinks so, Dragon thinks so and even Batman thinks so. Hell Dragon once called Batman a talented amature.

Also it is quite possible that in terms of pure skill the Question, Onyx and Alpha are better then Batman. Batgirls "brother" would have been as well.

How exactly do you know that the mind control made her weaker and not a better fighter? Exactly, you don't know, you're just assuming so.

Originally posted by batdude123
How exactly do you know that the mind control made her weaker and not a better fighter? Exactly, you don't know, you're just assuming so.

What I do know is that he has never been able to beat Shiva when she wasn't mind controlled and that mind controlled characters generally preform on lower levels then normal... I put two and two together

I forgot Drakon in my list of better MAs then Batman.

Originally posted by Juntai
I wouldn't dare put him above Dick at this point, but DC seems to be pushing that he's on that level. Hell he's even got his own secret Robin-Cave now. Seems Titans Tomorrow is starting.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shiva
Richard Dragon
Connar Hawke
Cass
Bronze Tiger

All better then Batman

Hes stalemated and or beatin Cass, Shiva and Bronze Tigger before.

The Shiva win was debatable because it wasn't clear if she was being mind controlled.

The only thing on Dragon I've seen was a training session and I didn't see a win or loss between either of them.

Yeah Dragon made the amature comment.....it didnt mean it was true hes just cocky like that.

The reason Batman has a chance in hell against anyone on that list is because of all his gadgets. In pure hand to hand they would walk all over him. Shiva, Cass, Richard Dragon and Hawke are better then Batman, it's hardly a mater of opinion (it is opinion that Bronze Tiger is better then him though, but I feel their is more then enough evidence to support that).

Why wouldn't Shiva have been mind controlled? Everyone else was.

Him beating Shiva is blasphemy, coming from a true Batman fan. Plus S/B should never be taken seriously, since nearly everyone who's name isn't in the title is shown as less than canon has decreed.
And Shiva is better than batman. Cass has been touted as better than him as well.
Him beating both, especially after he's said both are more skilled only speaks of his jobber aura, or it was narrative hyperbole.

Yeah, but Batgirl Cassie is a mute. She can't even say ONE word. 😆 That was really random. 😕

Cass was a mute, she hasn't been for years.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, but Batgirl Cassie is a mute. She can't even say ONE word. 😆 That was really random. 😕

Not anymore shes not, unless she is agian.

I dunno her comics suck to me.

I believe she's still illiterate though.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Batman has never beaten Shiva. In that Superman/ Batman series he put down a mind controlled Shiva... but that hardly counts. Batman has pretty much admited that Cass is a better fighter the he is and are you talking about their little spar that had Bruce looking superior... then coughing up blood? Connar Hawke is better then Batman, Shiva thinks so, Dragon thinks so and even Batman thinks so. Hell Dragon once called Batman a talented amature.

Also it is quite possible that in terms of pure skill the Question, Onyx and Alpha are better then Batman. Batgirls "brother" would have been as well.

Another one with Batman training her. Her offense is good, but her defense isn't enough to hold him back.
http://x4.putfile.com/1/2500291329.jpg

Again in her own comic this time, rather than his, he outclasses her pretty much the whole fight, she only gets one decent blow in.
Batman even implies that he's not trying hard after tagging her a few times.
http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=girl20.jpg

"Is this your idea of a fair fight Tiger?"
Batman addressing being hit with a poison dart in the middle of beating up Tiger. First time they met though, Batman was caught off guard and Tiger dropped him. In a straight up face to face, it was back and forth, but Bats having most of the upper hand.
http://img33.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batiger3.jpg
http://img33.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img33&image=batiger4.jpg

Batman vs Richard Dragon?
Stalemate.
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-05.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-06.jpg
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bravebold132-07.jpg

The Dragon realises he doesn't get as live as Bruce and kills himself.
http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batdragon5.jpg

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The reason Batman has a chance in hell against anyone on that list is because of all his gadgets. In pure hand to hand they would walk all over him. Shiva, Cass, Richard Dragon and Hawke are better then Batman, it's hardly a mater of opinion (it is opinion that Bronze Tiger is better then him though, but I feel their is more then enough evidence to support that).

Why wouldn't Shiva have been mind controlled? Everyone else was.

Again hes beat or stalemated them in h2h.

How does that make them better?

Here Batmans says Shiva could be doing this on her own terms.
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc148&image=ccd_batshiva2_2.jpg

The first scan you posted. Batman is supposed to look like the winner, then on the next page he coughs up blood. Who is the real winner? Cass.

The second scan. Cass had lost here ability to read body language leaving a huge hole in her deffence.

The third scan. Cass was under the effects of a drug, Batman held his own but was on the run for the whole fight.

The forth scan. Yeah Batman was poisoned and their was really no fight. Still think Bronze Tiger has proved he is the better fighter.

The fifth set of scans. Batman jumps Dragon while he is fighting. Richard stalemates Batman while making it pretty clear that he doesn't want to fight him.

Originally posted by Murda Mase
Again hes beat or stalemated them in h2h.

How does that make them better?

Here Batmans says Shiva could be doing this on her own terms.
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc148&image=ccd_batshiva2_2.jpg

That's just wishful thinking. There is nothing to suggest she isn't mind controlled IMO.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That's just wishful thinking. There is nothing to suggest she isn't mind controlled IMO.

Thats me showing it wasn't clear if she was or wasn't.

It never said she was and it never said she wasn't.

^ Exactly. Like I said before, it was your speculation that she was mind-controlled.

Tell me if this makes sense to you.

"I have telepathy that can mind control all these villans to work for me for free!... I think I should go out an hire Shiva!"

OK, it's clear what I'm up against, so I won't bother anymore. You just completely dismissed half a dozen scans of Bats stalemating or getting the better of a bunch of people you considered the top tier fighters without tech or prep at all.

🙄

Point's been proven, I don't need to defend the scans, they speak for themselves.

Originally posted by Juntai
OK, it's clear what I'm up against, so I won't bother anymore. You just completely dismissed half a dozen scans of Bats stalemating or getting the better of a bunch of people you considered the top tier fighters without tech or prep at all.

🙄

Point's been proven, I don't need to defend the scans, they speak for themselves.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The first scan you posted. Batman is supposed to look like the winner, then on the next page he coughs up blood. Who is the real winner? Cass.

The second scan. Cass had lost here ability to read body language leaving a huge hole in her deffence.

The third scan. Cass was under the effects of a drug, Batman held his own but was on the run for the whole fight.

The forth scan. Yeah Batman was poisoned and their was really no fight. Still think Bronze Tiger has proved he is the better fighter.

The fifth set of scans. Batman jumps Dragon while he is fighting. Richard stalemates Batman while making it pretty clear that he doesn't want to fight him.

Wow I guess Batman is more skilled... 🙄

[QUOTE=6329102]Originally posted by srankmissingnin
the third scan. Cass was under the effects of a drug, Batman held his own but was on the run for the whole fight.[QUOTE]

They were both under effects of the drug and that fight was a stalemate.