Dark Side Anakin vs Dark Side Exile.

Anakin is pissed off and clear-minded. Ditto for Exile.

Who wins? I'm thinking Exile but I'm not sure.

You're taking a canon character in Anakin and an N-Canon character in the dark side Exile, since the light side ending is usually canon, and considering I've never taken the dark side path in KOTOR II, I have no idea of the Exile's powers except for the fact that it isn't canon

We don't know which side is canon ATM.

Other than his special ability to beat Nihilus and lead/influence people, wasn't the Exile described as merely an average Jedi?

I highly doubt that he was average. Who said that?

Average, but that was during his training. It's hard to determine how much he grew. Personally, I think he was probably pretty good, but in a saber fight Anakin would come out on top.

Average? Wasn't he supposedly superior to Revan?

Traya was getting all anxious over his ability, but she obviously held Revan in high regard.

Apparently at the height of his power, the Exile was stronger than Revan.

I don't really think that's what she implies. She says the Exile is the "best student she's ever taught". This isn't like Vodo saying "Kun is the most formidable student he's ever taught." I personally think she loves the Exile because he represents an end of the force, which she hates, and because she was better able to mold the Exile and heal his troubled ego than she was with Revan, who was far more independant.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I don't really think that's what she implies. She says the Exile is the "best student she's ever taught". This isn't like Vodo saying "Kun is the most formidable student he's ever taught." I personally think she loves the Exile because he represents an end of the force, which she hates, and because she was better able to mold the Exile and heal his troubled ego than she was with Revan, who was far more independant.

The exact quote, I believe, is:

"You are the strongest I have ever trained."

I dont see how you can reach a different interpretation, Kreia was in awe...It seems clear she meant the Exile had indeed eclipsed Revan.

Adding to what Wesker brings up, technically Revan's power increased when Traya WASN'T training him. So Revan was never the strongest TRAINED by Traya, because he trained himself to become that strong.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
The exact quote, I believe, is:

"You are the strongest I have ever trained."

I dont see how you can reach a different interpretation, Kreia was in awe...It seems clear she meant the Exile had indeed eclipsed Revan.

Again, even that's problematic. Strongest in battle? Strongest emotionally for overcoming his past? Strongest for having will? Strongest in force bonds? Strongest smelling? That's not very definitive.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Again, even that's problematic. Strongest in battle? Strongest emotionally for overcoming his past? Strongest for having will? Strongest in force bonds? Strongest smelling? That's not very definitive.

Janus, I think your going overboard with the semantics...

Strongest in the SW universe, usually means having the most power. I see no good reason to interpret it any other way.

I think the Exile was more powerful than Revan at some point.

Revan was a genius tactician and a great duelist but I think as a character, the Exile had more power as a single entity.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Janus, I think your going overboard with the semantics...

Strongest in the SW universe, usually means having the most power. I see no good reason to interpret it any other way.

No, I think you're missing the point (Which I end up saying at least five times a day here at KMC... go figure)...

You are the strongest I have ever taught.

Examine this statement first...

How is she measuring his strength? Battle prowess? Force powers? Willpower? What?

Second, examine what she's contrasting it with...

Can Traya make an accurate judgment of Revan's abilities AFTER he left her tutorage?

Third, is Traya just sticking her tongue up his ass? It's possible that she's saying he's the strongest she's ever trained in order to give him courage and hope to face his trials and survive. In case you missed out, KotOR II is all about the Exile facing his past and conquering it and going on to become a better jedi (Or sith). Traya's not above embellishing her student's achievements to his face; if you think she is, you're claiming she's an infallible source on all things Exile.

And again, can you make the conclusion that Revan < Exile based on one comment from someone who likely hasn't seen Revan since he was a padawan or young jedi knight?

The proof of Exile > Revan or Revan > Exile is extremely scarce.

It's something that should be left out in the open until further notice.

I agree. That's why the claim that Exile is better than Revan because of one quote by Kreia is really jumping the gun.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
No, I think you're missing the point (Which I end up saying at least five times a day here at KMC... go figure)...

You are the strongest I have ever taught.

Examine this statement first...

How is she measuring his strength? Battle prowess? Force powers? Willpower? What?

Second, examine what she's contrasting it with...

Can Traya make an accurate judgment of Revan's abilities AFTER he left her tutorage?

Third, is Traya just sticking her tongue up his ass? It's possible that she's saying he's the strongest she's ever trained in order to give him courage and hope to face his trials and survive. In case you missed out, KotOR II is all about the Exile facing his past and conquering it and going on to become a better jedi (Or sith). Traya's not above embellishing her student's achievements to his face; if you think she is, you're claiming she's an infallible source on all things Exile.

And again, can you make the conclusion that Revan < Exile based on one comment from someone who likely hasn't seen Revan since he was a padawan or young jedi knight?

She is measuring general power, which would indicate who would win if there was a fight.

Yes she probably can.

If theres nothing concrete to suggest shes lieing, the default position is to assume shes telling the truth.

As opposed to nothing suggesting if Revan would win or not, the Exile has more backing him up solely because of that quote.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
She is measuring general power, which would indicate who would win if there was a fight.

O rly? Where did you divine this from? Prove it? Please do. I played the game ten times, GV. I'm not an ignoramus on the topic at hand.

Yes she probably can.

No, she can't. She isn't in a position to compare Revan as a post-Sith Lord who is beyond touch of all others in the Outer Rim and beyond to the reformed jedi before her. Don't be daft.

If theres nothing concrete to suggest shes lieing, the default position is to assume shes telling the truth.

WTF? The default position of any claim from a biased source is SKEPTICISM. Especially when you're guessing at her exact meanings of a word that can be construed to be eighty different things. Face it- you're assuming heavily that she meant fighting prowess without basis. It's not put into context. I mean, when Vodo claims that Exar Kun is the most formidable student he's ever had, it's after Exar Kun broke his staff and put up a damn good fight. That's pretty evident. This is not.

As opposed to nothing suggesting if Revan would win or not, the Exile has more backing him up solely because of that quote.

No, he doesn't. That quote isn't definitive and exact, and you can't even prove to me that she meant any of the eighty meanings I can get from that phrase, so stop being dense.