Originally posted by h1a8
How does Mangog prevent BFR?
Blast energy from his body like then Thor tried to grab him.
Originally posted by h1a8
And characters will result to any means to win (forum rules).
So don't give me that "he's too confident/prideful to do that" stuff, or that "its so out of character for him to do that" crap.
CIS and strong psychological prohibitions/limitations still apply.
Though I agree in this case.
Originally posted by h1a8It's not ABC logic, it's an accurate comparison.
everybody please stop using abc logic. You're driving me crazy with that nonsense.How does Mangog prevent BFR?
And characters will result to any means to win (forum rules).
So don't give me that "he's too confident/prideful to do that" stuff, or that "its so out of character for him to do that" crap.
Thor hit him with his hammer, and got KOed. How exactly do you think Gladiator is going to grab him, and toss him into space?
Good thing CIS applies to the forum...
Now, when exactly have you ever saw Gladiator BFR someone?
It's not crap, unless you want to ignore what is done in comics.
Hell, the only time I remember him doing, or trying any BFR, is when he said that he was going to put enough force to punch Cannonball to the sun... which oddly enough, didn't work.
Either way, it's not going to work...
I don't see how Asagard is any better than the glacatic empire of the Shiaer Empire. Just because you are god lovers that Thor and Odin hold such a high place. Gladiator eaisly stood down Thor in one Thor issue i read where Glads was fighthing an armada at the same time.
As a matter of fact the moment Gladiator moved into 4d speed the fight was just about over.
Mangog is another story from Thor though. He really is all that. I'm not sure how powerful he is but he might be able to beat Gladiator and even Thanos.
Originally posted by Wonder ManWell, that's a pointless statement, which holds no ground...
I don't see how Asagard is any better than the glacatic empire of the Shiaer Empire. Just because you are god lovers that Thor and Odin hold such a high place. Gladiator eaisly stood down Thor in one Thor issue i read where Glads was fighthing an armada at the same time.
As a matter of fact the moment Gladiator moved into 4d speed the fight was just about over.
Mangog is another story from Thor though. He really is all that. I'm not sure how powerful he is but he might be able to beat Gladiator and even Thanos.
Just because he can beat Glads, means nothing on Thanos...
Originally posted by norrinradd43uh no, I have the issue he wasn't pis, classic mangog was a sob. Absorbing hatered throught out the universe, can maniuplate mytical energies, above normal intelligence. Let's put it this wa a smartert PC Validus get the picture.
Odin must have been jobbing...he should loose to that overgrown hippo
Originally posted by Tyrant
It's not ABC logic, it's an accurate comparison.Thor hit him with his hammer, and got KOed. How exactly do you think Gladiator is going to grab him, and toss him into space?
Good thing CIS applies to the forum...
Now, when exactly have you ever saw Gladiator BFR someone?
It's not crap, unless you want to ignore what is done in comics.Hell, the only time I remember him doing, or trying any BFR, is when he said that he was going to put enough force to punch Cannonball to the sun... which oddly enough, didn't work.
Either way, it's not going to work...
So you're saying that gladiator is not strong enough to throw him into space?
Because mangog weighs at most 1.75 tons (3500lbs to be exact) and gladiator can lift at least hundreds of thousands of tons.
Or are you saying that Mangog can turn around at the speed of light or faster to prevent from being quickly thrown? Because Marvel has him clocked at 115mph. Want proof?
And do you know forum rules? What a character would normally do doesn't decide fights here. Its what they can do. They are allowed to use the best strategy in order to win.
Its like saying that if you had one character's powers and abilities and I had the other's then who would win between me and you.
But if mangog can use magic to escape space then he wins all day (needs proof though).
Saying it's not going to work isn't proof. For you must state why it isn't going to work. Like for example, "mangog is too fast to fall for that or he can escape space by .....".
Otherwise, he loses only due to BFR. Case closed.
Originally posted by h1a8I've shown evidence, as to why Mangog won't be BFR'd, and I've explained why he won't be...
So you're saying that gladiator is not strong enough to throw him into space?
Because mangog weighs at most 1.75 tons (3500lbs to be exact) and gladiator can lift at least hundreds of thousands of tons.Or are you saying that Mangog can turn around at the speed of light or faster to prevent from being quickly thrown? Because Marvel has him clocked at 115mph. Want proof?
And do you know forum rules? What a character would normally do doesn't decide fights here. Its what they can do. They are allowed to use the best strategy in order to win.
Its like saying that if you had one character's powers and abilities and I had the other's then who would win between me and you.
But if mangog can use magic to escape space then he wins all day (needs proof though).
Saying it's not going to work isn't proof. For you must state why it isn't going to work. Like for example, "mangog is too fast to fall for that or he can escape space by .....".
Otherwise, he loses [B]only
due to BFR. Case closed. [/B]
Also, if you want to take Marvel for proof, then... you must accept that Gambit has better energy projection than Thanos.
Thanos - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos
Gambit - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gambit
Um... you want to know the forum rules?
"Bloodlust
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."
Proof - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/452950_1-forum-rules-read-before-posting
Now, I know you're looking at the italic part, but the difference between Gladiator, and Flash is that, Flash actually blitzes... a lot.
I already explained the rest, so ya...
Originally posted by Tyrant
I've shown evidence, as to why Mangog won't be BFR'd, and I've explained why he won't be...
I'm not going through it again.
You shown none. Was it you that said when Thor hit Mangog he KOed him? Thor was still able to hit him right (before he got koed)? If so then that is all Gladiator should be able to hit him first too or rather throw him first from behind.
Also, if you want to take Marvel for proof, then... you must accept that Gambit has better energy projection than Thanos.
Thanos - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos
Gambit - http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gambit
This is debatable here. As marvel has tried to show the true potential of Gambit. And the grid has nothing to do with better energy projection, just unlimited command over all forms of energy. One can have better energy projection with just one type of energy discharge over another with multiple types of energy discharge. And as far as I know there are two forms of energy (potential and kinetic) in which Gambit has (or had) complete command over. But maybe Thanos is a 7 too (depends on whether he has unlimited command over the potential type of energy).
With that said,
if comics contradict a character's official bios then it is the comics that should be used as proof and not the bios. So when has the comics contradicted Mangog's speed with his bios? And don't tell me because he hit Thor. For people slow as **** hit Thor before (even hit Spiderman too).
Um... you want to know the forum rules?
[b]"Bloodlust
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."
Proof - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/452950_1-forum-rules-read-before-posting[/B]
Thanks for backing me up here. As long as the Gladiator is able to do it and also since he has attempted this tactic before then it thus proves that it is in his character to try this. Thus Gladiator will speed blitz a throw in at super speed. And know that it is to the best of his ability to use his speed blitz.
Now, I know you're looking at the italic part, but the difference between Gladiator, and Flash is that, Flash actually blitzes... a lot.
"a lot" is insignificant. All it takes is once to show that it is in a character's personality. And Gladiator has speed blitzed more than once.
Originally posted by h1a8The thing is, a punch or in this case a hammer, only delivers about a second or less of contact.
You shown none. Was it you that said when Thor hit Mangog he KOed him? Thor was still able to hit him right (before he got koed)? If so then that is all Gladiator should be able to hit him first too or rather throw him first from behind.
A grab, and a throw delivers more, which if he tried, would make him very capable of being KO'ed.
And, if Thor can't effect Mangog, then Glads is doing nothing with a punch.
Ignore the proof if you want, I really don't care.
Originally posted by h1a8Um... Thanos controls more energy than him though, so that's nothing...
This is debatable here. As marvel has tried to show the true potential of Gambit. And the grid has nothing to do with better energy projection, just unlimited command over [B]all forms of energy. One can have better energy projection with just one type of energy discharge over another with multiple types of energy discharge. And as far as I know there are two forms of energy (potential and kinetic) in which Gambit has (or had) complete command over. But maybe Thanos is a 7 too (depends on whether he has unlimited command over the potential type of energy).With that said,
if comics contradict a character's official bios then it is the comics that should be used as proof and not the bios. So when has the comics contradicted Mangog's speed with his bios? And don't tell me because he hit Thor. For people slow as **** hit Thor before (even hit Spiderman too).[/B]
Ya know, not everything is based off of running/travel speed. Otherwise, Surfer would be one of the toughest opponents in the forum, and not even Glads with all his flaunted speed would hit him.
Now, the thing is, Mangog's reaction/punching speed has proven to be dangerous. If Recorder can't follow his punches, then Glads is going to have a hell of a time dealing with it, if he gets close.
Also, Thor has outright said, that he takes it easy on people he fights. Never wanting to really hurt someone. In relation to the Spider-Man comment.
With Mangog, he has no such problem, and he has no restrictions. Whether Spider-Man, or Mangog hits him, is also hardly relevant to the discussion.
What is though, is this:
Within seconds, Thor was a mud puddle, that couldn't fight back... so ya. Mangog, is fast.
Also, Mangog was able to intercept Thor's hammer when it was already traveling at his head.
Originally posted by h1a8You of course realize what in-character means, don't you?
Thanks for backing me up here. As long as the Gladiator is able to do it and also since he has attempted this tactic before then it thus proves that it is in his character to try this. Thus Gladiator will speed blitz a throw in at super speed. And know that it is to the [B]best of his ability to use his speed blitz. [/B]
Also, Gladiator, has speedblitzed Thor. Masterson Thor... and it wasn't even really a speedblitz, more of a Quicksilver dash punch.
Now, going by your earlier statement, Spider-Man has hit Thor, correct of course.
Spider-Man though, has like Glads, blitzed a Masterson Thor (human turned God, not much experience, that whole deal).
Is it really that great of a feat, compared to a being of Mangog's capacity? Not really.
Hell, his forward travel speed, was intercepted by Wonder Man.
Which, oddly enough, also looks like his so-called "speedblitz".
*important to note, how he actually gets mounted by Masterson, right after the initial attack*
Now, if he tries that on Mangog, he's going out, and down for the count.
Also, all your explanations are fine and dandy, but what is obvious, is how you ignored the in-character portrayal of characters on the forum.
Either way, if Gladiator blitzes in every fight, it still doesn't make him capable of taking out Mangog.
Another important note, which I won't rub in Glad's face with scans, was that after Thor was able to stun him, he actually had Gladiator not able to fight back, through attacks (which are far slower than Mangog's) from his fists, and hammer. He then took him down, and had to be stopped, so he wouldn't kill him.
Originally posted by h1a8Twice? Out of a 30 or so year history...
"a lot" is insignificant. All it takes is once to show that it is in a character's personality. And Gladiator has speed blitzed more than once.
Plus, I've already showed how irrelevant that is, so I fail to see why it is clung to, so dearly.
Plus, a speedblitz by Glads, even if it worked, would hardly do anything anyway.
The only hope Glads has, is throwing him, which, a little bit of contact Thor connected on Mangog, had him knocked out, so... ya.
Also, if Glads tried to speedblitz, he would risk getting hit, and since he can't damage Mangog really, the risk becomes all that much more deadly. Now, this is of course, ignoring how fast Mangog can deliver a finishing blow, but even with normal speed, it's not like Glads has delivered a Superman-esk, or Spider-Man-esk blitz. He never dodged, he just went in head first and punched.
Which, will most likely end up with him getting his head merging with the ground.
Originally posted by Tyrant
The thing is, a punch or in this case a hammer, only delivers about a second or less of contact.A grab, and a throw delivers more, which if he tried, would make him very capable of being KO'ed.
And, if Thor can't effect Mangog, then Glads is doing nothing with a punch.Ignore the proof if you want, I really don't care.
Um... Thanos controls more energy than him though, so that's nothing...
Also, Iron Man is more durable than Thanos too according to Marvel...Ya know, not everything is based off of running/travel speed. Otherwise, Surfer would be one of the toughest opponents in the forum, and not even Glads with all his flaunted speed would hit him.
Now, the thing is, Mangog's reaction/punching speed has proven to be dangerous. If Recorder can't follow his punches, then Glads is going to have a hell of a time dealing with it, if he gets close.
Also, Thor has outright said, that he takes it easy on people he fights. Never wanting to really hurt someone. In relation to the Spider-Man comment.
With Mangog, he has no such problem, and he has no restrictions. Whether Spider-Man, or Mangog hits him, is also hardly relevant to the discussion.
What is though, is this:Within seconds, Thor was a mud puddle, that couldn't fight back... so ya. Mangog, is fast.
Also, Mangog was able to intercept Thor's hammer when it was already traveling at his head.
You of course realize what in-character means, don't you?
Also, Gladiator, has speedblitzed Thor. Masterson Thor... and it wasn't even really a speedblitz, more of a Quicksilver dash punch.
Now, going by your earlier statement, Spider-Man has hit Thor, correct of course.
Spider-Man though, has like Glads, blitzed a Masterson Thor (human turned God, not much experience, that whole deal).Is it really that great of a feat, compared to a being of Mangog's capacity? Not really.
Hell, his forward travel speed, was intercepted by Wonder Man.
Which, oddly enough, also looks like his so-called "speedblitz".
*important to note, how he actually gets mounted by Masterson, right after the initial attack*
Now, if he tries that on Mangog, he's going out, and down for the count.
Also, all your explanations are fine and dandy, but what is obvious, is how you ignored the in-character portrayal of characters on the forum.
Either way, if Gladiator blitzes in every fight, it still doesn't make him capable of taking out Mangog.Another important note, which I won't rub in Glad's face with scans, was that after Thor was able to stun him, he actually had Gladiator not able to fight back, through attacks (which are far slower than Mangog's) from his fists, and hammer. He then took him down, and had to be stopped, so he wouldn't kill him.
Twice? Out of a 30 or so year history...
Plus, I've already showed how irrelevant that is, so I fail to see why it is clung to, so dearly.
Plus, a speedblitz by Glads, even if it worked, would hardly do anything anyway.
The only hope Glads has, is throwing him, which, a little bit of contact Thor connected on Mangog, had him knocked out, so... ya.Also, if Glads tried to speedblitz, he would risk getting hit, and since he can't damage Mangog really, the risk becomes all that much more deadly. Now, this is of course, ignoring how fast Mangog can deliver a finishing blow, but even with normal speed, it's not like Glads has delivered a Superman-esk, or Spider-Man-esk blitz. He never dodged, he just went in head first and punched.
Which, will most likely end up with him getting his head merging with the ground.
You've done well Tyrant!
That was all I wanted which was proof on Mangog's speed.
Many of my posts were 'hint hint' show me Mangog's speed so that
I can say he wins.
So now, I agree that Mangog wins this.
But a couple of things that bother me of what you said and showed.
First, there are such things as low and high showings in comics.
And many of the low showings is considered PIS by definition. So never use low showings as proof if there exists high ones that contradict. For example, one can either lift x tons, more than x tons, or less than x tons.
And not all since each option contradicts the others.
Second, you miss understood me. I said slower enemies hit Spider-man too. And not that Spider-man hit Thor (which he did though). That was to say that then it is feasible for Mangog to hit Thor in a comic if Mangog is slow. But since you showed his speed and reflexes then I agree that Mangog is probably fast enough to prevent a BFR tactic from Glads.
And note, this is to add to what you said and not disagree with you:
I believe traveling speed is not fighting speed. Many can travel FTL but it takes them time to reach such speeds. Surfer has shown on panel that it takes him several moments (if seconds) to accelerate FTL in hyperspace.
Thor was also shown to be accelerating (before whirling the hammer to sufficient speed first) past light speed himself (and not reaching FTL speed instaneously). The conclusion is that Gladiator and some others only fight at supersonic speed (at best). This is mainly because they don't have enough room and time to accelerate light speed or beyond in the battle.
Their reflexes alone would have to be FTL if they did achieve that speed in battle. And traveling FTL through outer space doesn't require FTL reflexes (But many here think so). But traveling short distances at FTL does. So since Glad has never shown FTL reflexes then he very well could not fight at FTL speeds even if he can attain them in a fight (in which he can't).
For mere humans in comics have manually guided spaceships traveling FTL. And also human jet fighters don't have faster than bullet reflexes even though they can manually guide the faster than bullet jet.
Distance and time is all that is required and not speed alone.
Re: Re: Mangog vs. Gladiator
Originally posted by batdude123Thor has beaten Mangog. He stuck Mjolnir inside his mouth and fried him with an Anti-force blast for the ko. Also, Rune Lord Thor effortlessly defeated him. But classic Thor usually does strugglw with him.
1) Thor can't even beat Mangog, so how the hell is Gladiator going to be able to?
2) Gladiator is a VERY cheap knock-off of Superman. Gladiator should wipe Supes a$$ when he's done poopin'! 😆 Gladiator can't even hold a candle up to what Superman has done. 😉
That said, Gladiator doesn't have that ability, and so he loses.
