Originally posted by hord06
It would probably only take about two of the ancient sith lords. We know that he had a titanic battle with Ragnos, so with Sadow (his apprentice, and the SW character who has displayed the greatest feats of force power) they could alone pull this off. Adding in the other sith lords and Kun, Luke and Sidious is just overkill. He could possibly take out REvan before he goes down, however Revan is smart and would probably hide behind Kun.
The only beings that stand a remote chance against Ragnos are the Ancient Sith, Simus is weaker than him and you haven't proven that he was barely defeated, nowhere is that implied for all you know Ragnos may have just went boom and decapitated him, plus if Simus was close to winning i dont see why Sadow would just stand there and watch.
Sadow and Kressh are leagues below Ragnos, for if any of them actually killed Ragnos they would acquire the mantle Dark Lord of the Sith, its tradition, whoever is able to kill their master takes his place. Yet neither of them dared fearing a half dead Ragnos.
Putting in 3 or more against Ragnos then he dies, however he'll take down Revan, Kun and Luke before it.
Oh? And when has Sadow proven to be superior to Simus or even in the same league?
Kressh didn't because he wanted to countiue Ragnos's Legacy, if he had done so and then went on to countiue the same Legacy it would arouse much suspisicion.
The Ancient Sith noble? Dont make me laugh, Sadow and Kressh in their war caused the deaths of many Sith Lords, they were not hesitant in backstabbing nor betraying one another, and quite frankly Ragnos was a hated half bred that ruled with an iron fist, its quite obvious that if Sadow killed Ragnos he would have a better chance of claiming the mantle of DLOTS.
Oh and you dont realise Kressh may have simply followed Ragnos's legacy in order to oppose Sadow.
Originally posted by hord06
Dude do you have any proofthat the ancient sith held the same traditions as the fake sith (dark jedi who pesed as sith). I gathered from the comics that they were actually quite noble and civil.
Nope, the fact that Sadow and Kressh "dueled" for the title of dark lord, and the fact that Simus and Ragnos "dueled" for the title doesn't suggest that they don't fight for it at all, doesn't it?
Ragnos was on his deathbed and was completely unchallenged. They feared him, he was just simply more powerful than them.
Nope, the fact that the ancient Sith are the source of later generations of Sith magic, lore, and alchemy doesn't imply a thing. Or the fact that Sadow and Kressh made about half a dozen maneuvers each doesn't seem to offer anything.
Kressh literally raised an ARMY and attacked Sadow to take the throne away from him, yet somehow, he's going to be timid against Ragnos?
Sadow literally killed his own people and personally deposed of his old master, Simus, yet somehow he's timid against Ragnos, a being he wasn't on the best of terms with?
Smart, it's time for you to come out of Neverland Ranch and back to reality.
He'll lose this fight simply because it's a ridiculous thread, but you need to get off that ship before it's sunk.
"Nope, the fact that Sadow and Kressh "dueled" for the title of dark lord, and the fact that Simus and Ragnos "dueled" for the title doesn't suggest that they don't fight for it at all, doesn't it?"
The position was open and someone had to fill it. Sadow makes it clear that he waited for Ragnos to die before seizing the mantle of dark lord, not because of fear but because of tradition.
"Ragnos was on his deathbed and was completely unchallenged. They feared him, he was just simply more powerful than them."
Firstly I do not dispute that Ragnos was the most powerful. Secondly your argument is not only flawed but very fanboyish. You are acting as if there are no other alternatives to Ragnos being challenged other then the fact that people feared him. That is a very fanboyish point of view.
The position was open and someone had to fill it. Sadow makes it clear that he waited for Ragnos to die before seizing the mantle of dark lord, not because of fear but because of tradition.
Really, where's your proof that they only duel when someone needs to fill it? Is this why AFTER Sadow becomes Dark Lord, Kressh makes moves AGAINST him?
And where did Sadow make it clear that he wanted to seize the mantle because of Tradition? I see nothing that supports that, especially since he wants to buck with tradition.
Firstly I do not dispute that Ragnos was the most powerful. Secondly your argument is not only flawed but very fanboyish. You are acting as if there are no other alternatives to Ragnos being challenged other then the fact that people feared him. That is a very fanboyish point of view.
No, your opinion is being illogical. You're stating that in an empire where the strongest reign and where people duel for the position of Dark Lord, that Ragnos.... charmed them all to follow him for "a century of iron rule"?
Because quotes implying to as much in KotOR and throughout TOTJ don't mean a thing now?
And you still haven't taken into account that Kressh plotted against Sadow after Sadow was crowned the dark lord; he even faked his own death in order to lull Sadow into a sense of security. Yet apparently, these Sith don't make any motion against Ragnos just because hord06 says so.
Originally posted by hord06
Dude I'm going to say this one more time. I THINK RAGNOS IS THE MOST POREWFUL. Kressh plotted against Sadow for the good of the sith empire and not for power or glory.
Then you are debating from nothing. We all agree that Ragnos will lose in this ridiculous thread.
All we know is that Ragnos was more powerful than anyone else in this thread, and from inference, likely considerably more powerful.
You arguing that he is only slightly more powerful is your unsupported interpretation.
Actually, since
A. the Chronology is a Lucas endorsed product and thus source material
B. the actual material never says a thing about Ragnos's power being incredibly godly at all, or his ilk for that matter, and supports Palpatine entirely...
http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=proof9gs.jpg
I'm not so good with scanning, but it's legible, writing is on the right, shall I quote:
"Yoda was unable to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord of all time."
Especially considering the Essential Chronology practically made what we know and is fully accepted and used by Leland Chee to explain chronology, IE: The start of the Sith Empire and the Dark Jedi schisms...
Oh, good lord...what's the hyperbole? It's exagerration because you disagree?
Fine, scan in ONE PAGE of ANYTHING that calls Ragnos the most powerful Sith Lord ever. Cause you know something? Nothing does. In fact, DE called Sidious the most powerful Sith Lord ever...and a God in the Darkside...and his battle with Luke the greatest battle in history, and his power was so great it was felt by every force sensitive across the galaxy...
And Essential Chronology isn't a 'compilation'. It's an official product. And it just owned you. I fail to see when KJA ever claimed or showed the Ancients or Ragnos were superior to Palpatine and considering this product goes right in line with Dark Empire, an earlier product to TotJ-and hey...source material can't be messed with, hmmm...-...well...
