Civil War fight Might happen: Iron Spidey vs Captain America

Originally posted by TheKahn
I honestly think this is slightly closer than most seem to. Now I know it looks like the odds are stacked pretty high against Captain America. After all this is a peak-human vs a super-human character after all, right? Well not exactly. The problem is that Captain America [b]is a super-human character. Despite claims by Marvel to the contrary, his feats speak for themselves.

Captain America's top end feats demonstrate super-human levels of strength and reflexes and they include knocking out a skrull who was able to take hits from the Thing, nearly cutting a truck in half with his shield, taking out (ie damaging) missiles and helicopters with he shield, beating a clone of Namor (whom I think we agree would give Spiderman a tough fight), denting and then knocking down a steel door, dodging over a dozen laser beams in zero gravity.

All that being said, who do I think would win a majority? Spiderman. Again, going by top end feats Spidey is nearly untouchable thanks to his Spidersense and agility. However I don't think it would be a 10/10 landslide. Cap is one tough opponent and there wouldn't be any shame in Spiderman dropping a few to him. [/B]

Originally posted by King KAM
i love it when im the underdog

Welcome to my world when 3 people use ad hominem on me =/

Generally underdogs are wrong...😛

And Spider-Man wins.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Generally underdogs are wrong...😛

And Spider-Man wins.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I honestly think this is slightly closer than most seem to. Now I know it looks like the odds are stacked pretty high against Captain America. After all this is a peak-human vs a super-human character after all, right? Well not exactly. The problem is that Captain America [b]is a super-human character. Despite claims by Marvel to the contrary, his feats speak for themselves.

Captain America's top end feats demonstrate super-human levels of strength and reflexes and they include knocking out a skrull who was able to take hits from the Thing, nearly cutting a truck in half with his shield, taking out (ie damaging) missiles and helicopters with he shield, beating a clone of Namor (whom I think we agree would give Spiderman a tough fight), denting and then knocking down a steel door, dodging over a dozen laser beams in zero gravity.

All that being said, who do I think would win a majority? Spiderman. Again, going by top end feats Spidey is nearly untouchable thanks to his Spidersense and agility. However I don't think it would be a 10/10 landslide. Cap is one tough opponent and there wouldn't be any shame in Spiderman dropping a few to him. [/B]

Because he's Cap, and he represents goodness or whatever, he's not gonna lose badly. Heck they might make him win. But looking at it realistically Spider-Man shouldn't lose. Even without his upgrades he had Cap beat in almost every category. Now its almost overkill. I won't underestimate Cap, no one should, but he doesn't matchup to Spidey

Originally posted by marvelprince
Because he's Cap, and he represents goodness or whatever, he's not gonna lose badly. Heck they might make him win. But looking at it realistically Spider-Man shouldn't lose. Even without his upgrades he had Cap beat in almost every category. Now its almost overkill. I won't underestimate Cap, no one should, but he doesn't matchup to Spidey

Co-signed. Cap is all well and good his Powers stemming partly from the super soldier serum and partly from his love of life , liberty and mom's apple pie.

But patriotism isn't going to cut it when it comes to spidey , 99.50 % of the time spidey will win , the 0.50 percent is for some random crap happening or cap SOMEHOW knocking out spidey with his shield.

Comic books; there is such a thing as jobber aura and Spider-man isn't immune to it or profoundly effective against it. Cap probably has one of the biggest in both Marvel and DC. Plus, like Khan already pointed out, Peak human is definitely an understatement to describe Cap. Not only that, but Pete adores the guy. It's in his character. The only time i saw him remotely out of tune would be his arc and team-up with him on dissassembled(that arc had some bad continuity errors)

But logically Spider-man is should brutally beat him every time judging on physical stats, SS and webbing.

Now don't get me wrong, I do believe Spiderman would win a majority especially given his recent upgrades and given the forum rules that each combatant is fight to win. But I don't believe Spiderman losing the one or two fights, that I think he could lose, to Cap would be a case of jobbing.

When you take into consideration the nature of his feats and abilities of some of the opponents he has defeated, I do not think it is out of the realm of possibilities for Captain America to pull off the odd upset. Do keep in mind that Spidey's spidersence is not infallible and has been fooled before. It is easy to dismiss Cap in fights because of the way his powers are described by Marvel, however his showings in actual comic books require, I think, a reevaluation of him and the level of characters he should be able to defeat.

Spiderman wins 8 or 9/10.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Now don't get me wrong, I do believe Spiderman would win a majority especially given his recent upgrades and given the forum rules that each combatant is fight to win. But I don't believe Spiderman losing the one or two fights, that I think he could lose, to Cap would be a case of jobbing.

When you take into consideration the nature of his feats and abilities of some of the opponents he has defeated, I do not think it is out of the realm of possibilities for Captain America to pull off the odd upset. Do keep in mind that Spidey's spidersence is not infallible and has been fooled before. It is easy to dismiss Cap in fights because of the way his powers are described by Marvel, however his showings in actual comic books require, I think, a reevaluation of him and the level of characters he should be able to defeat.

Spiderman wins 8 or 9/10.

Written correctly, SM should never lose. But in a comic he'll probably go all "Oh my god, it's Cap....he's the legend and what should I do?" or something similar and thus it would be a closer fight because Pete would be holding back.

But the writer's aren't THAT bad....they know Cap can't beat Spidey without a huge plot device. I doubt it'll ever happen in Civil War anyway, and I hope it doesn't because it'll either be shoddy writing or Cap will have to have his ass handed to him.

What's wrong with cap getting his ass handed to him?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Written correctly, SM should never lose. But in a comic he'll probably go all "Oh my god, it's Cap....he's the legend and what should I do?" or something similar and thus it would be a closer fight because Pete would be holding back.

But the writer's aren't THAT bad....they know Cap can't beat Spidey without a huge plot device. I doubt it'll ever happen in Civil War anyway, and I hope it doesn't because it'll either be shoddy writing or Cap will have to have his ass handed to him.

Cap is Spidey's hero so maybe he'll try to not fight him.

Originally posted by Murda Mase
Cap is Spidey's hero so maybe he'll try to not fight him.

I believe if this fight were to happen, we'll see Spidey warning Cap to cut the crap or i have to do something. Knowing Cap, he'll say i'll do what have to be done...and a fight might go on. Spidey will not hurt Cap but that itself will put Cap in the disadvantage. But Cap will put some sense into Spidey's head and Spidey will switch sides.

Originally posted by joesha28
I believe if this fight were to happen, we'll see Spidey warning Cap to cut the crap or i have to do something. Knowing Cap, he'll say i'll do what have to be done...and a fight might go on. Spidey will not hurt Cap but that itself will put Cap in the disadvantage. But Cap will put some sense into Spidey's head and Spidey will switch sides.

Yeah. I honestly don't want either of these two to get all f**ked up. I'd rather see Spidey or Cap beat up another Avenger😈

Originally posted by TheKahn
Now don't get me wrong, I do believe Spiderman would win a majority especially given his recent upgrades and given the forum rules that each combatant is fight to win. But I don't believe Spiderman losing the one or two fights, that I think he could lose, to Cap would be a case of jobbing.

When you take into consideration the nature of his feats and abilities of some of the opponents he has defeated, I do not think it is out of the realm of possibilities for Captain America to pull off the odd upset. Do keep in mind that Spidey's spidersence is not infallible and has been fooled before. It is easy to dismiss Cap in fights because of the way his powers are described by Marvel, however his showings in actual comic books require, I think, a reevaluation of him and the level of characters he should be able to defeat.

Spiderman wins 8 or 9/10.

agree 100%

I think spider-man for the most part could toy with cap, but given some of the captains feats, on wrong move from spidey and he is toast, hell, Cap could probably get a few good shots in when he blocks spidey with his shield or by putting him off balance.

I think a lot of people look at stats like "peak human" and get confused by the term. As far as I can tell, it has little to do with what is actually a "human" limit, like cap bench pressing over a ton.