Originally posted by AcousticDoc
When daredevil and Ironfist are featured in the same comic, DD always seems to have this vibe like he can take down Ironfist at anytime (like the way he talks to him and etc), but maybe that's just me.
No, I've noticed the same thing. I think if Matt REALLY wanted to put Danny down, he could. But it would be a really hard-fought match.
I give it to DD 5.5/10.
Originally posted by Soljer
They've more or less stalemated in the past.Danny more or less stalemated Shen Kuei in the past and, more recently, took him out with a bit of ease.
Besides that, with Iron Fist's Chi amping, he is capable of keeping up with guys like Spider-man, and even the Steel Serpent. Someone that was, arguably, even quicker than Spiderman!
I agree with the collectiveness that someone said about daredevil earlier. It seems like daredevil is "wiser" per say when it comes to combat. He thinks things out a little better, atleat in my opinino* If it was an all out fight, I think DD could keep up with an amped up Iron fist for atelast a bit, but this would definately be a challenge for him. I could be slightly biased, but i think daredevil shuold take a slight majotiry. in their most recent skimrish (althouhg it definately wasnt an all out or even remotely intense thing) daredevil was speaking as if he had complete control over the fight.
Granted, that may not be the best example, Daredevil has a signifigant advantage because of his radar sense, and he still has superhuman reflexes. But it would be a very good fight
he also seems to employ pressure points alot more than most do
perhaps due to his radar sense
DD 6/10
Wow.
I'm really surprised, honestly.
To me, this match is a lot like Spiderman vs Daredevil. Iron Fist can amp to dodge SEVERAL bullets, each to within a fraction of an inch. He can punch through steel WITHOUT the Iron Fist technique, he seems very much more skilled (in my opinion) than Daredevil, though I will admit that Danny is a bit more headstrong.
I honestly see Iron Fist taking a good majority, though. As I've mentioned: in the recent fight with Daredevil, Danny was holding back, Matt was pissed off, AND Danny wasn't even fighting in his own style - he was emulating Matt's.
Have they met in combat besides this instance? 😬.
Originally posted by Soljer
Iron Fist can amp to dodge SEVERAL bullets, each to within a fraction of an inch.
As can DD...
Originally posted by Soljer
He can punch through steel WITHOUT the Iron Fist technique, he seems very much more skilled (in my opinion) than Daredevil, though I will admit that Danny is a bit more headstrong.
Daredevil's rolled off punches off some pretty strong foes in the past... I wouldnt give Danny the edge due to that. DD's senses are a pretty big bonus in this battle, IMO
Originally posted by Soljer
I honestly see Iron Fist taking a good majority, though. As I've mentioned: in the recent fight with Daredevil, Danny was holding back, Matt was pissed off, AND Danny wasn't even fighting in his own style - he was emulating Matt's.
Well, then I would judge that fight as inconclusive, seeing as hoe DD was with a clear edge for the majority of the fight.
Originally posted by Soljer
Have they met in combat besides this instance? 😬.
I believe so... but I dont have scans on me.
Originally posted by Soljer
Wow.I'm really surprised, honestly.
To me, this match is a lot like Spiderman vs Daredevil. Iron Fist can amp to dodge SEVERAL bullets, each to within a fraction of an inch. He can punch through steel WITHOUT the Iron Fist technique, he seems very much more skilled (in my opinion) than Daredevil, though I will admit that Danny is a bit more headstrong.
I honestly see Iron Fist taking a good majority, though. As I've mentioned: in the recent fight with Daredevil, Danny was holding back, Matt was pissed off, AND Danny wasn't even fighting in his own style - he was emulating Matt's.
Have they met in combat besides this instance? 😬.
I dont think tehy have? im not sure, though.
Your right, danny wasnt fighting in his own style (as he was trying to emulate daredevils) But durring the fight, daredevil was speaking, err, narrorateing as if to be impressed, but not at all 'threttened' per say, by IRon fist's emulation. NOT that this is the best showing to use for IF (as i stated earlier), truthfully, daredevil clearly expressed that althouhg danny was emulateing him, he was in no way his superior (atleast in this instance). Even commenting on his flaws. And although daredevil was angry, i wouldent say he was bloodlusted or anything. Merely angry at the scenario. I can post scans of that fight actually. i think i will in a moment (for those who may not have seen it)
also at the end of this fight daredevil dodge an "iron fist"
Well, at the beginning, Daredevil remarks about how the 'imposter' is trying to say something, but Matt doesn't listen.
I honestly think that Danny threw the Iron Fist, just because he knew Matt would recognize it and cease the fight, 😬.
I'm not saying that the fight was in Iron Fist's favor! I'm just saying, that since Iron Fist was fighting at several disadvantages, the fight is inconclusive at best.
Daredevil's senses ARE a huge advantage in the fight, and are one of the things that gives him his seemingly superhuman speed, since they act almost as a precognition...
Perhaps I was hasty in giving Danny as large a majority as 8, though I still believe he wins the match. Perhaps 6 or 7 is more realistic. 😬.
Either way.
Originally posted by Soljer
Well, at the beginning, Daredevil remarks about how the 'imposter' is trying to say something, but Matt doesn't listen.I honestly think that Danny threw the Iron Fist, just because he knew Matt would recognize it and cease the fight, 😬.
I'm not saying that the fight was in Iron Fist's favor! I'm just saying, that since Iron Fist was fighting at several disadvantages, the fight is inconclusive at best.
Daredevil's senses ARE a huge advantage in the fight, and are one of the things that gives him his seemingly superhuman speed, since they act almost as a precognition...
Perhaps I was hasty in giving Danny as large a majority as 8, though I still believe he wins the match. Perhaps 6 or 7 is more realistic. 😬.
Either way.
Heres the fight :
(edit: sorry the last two are really small, bigger versions are posted below this post)
IMO, after re-reading it, judeing from this fight it would seem as if daredevil had allready analyzed his opponent. Granted he had no idea it was iron fist and wether or not that would have affected his judgement had he have known is for anyone to say, but in this instance, it seems that daredevil had the upper hand. But i understand what your saying soljer, and keep in mind, this is daredevils comic.
And again this fight is under unusual circumstances. One thing though, i had that same thought about IF using the IF to let daredevil know that he was who he was, on the other hand, after he used the IF ( not posted, sorry lol) danny says "Matt...? i thought you were in rykers?" (the prison) So infact, danny didnt know it was daredevil, but i think still, he might have done it to let the assailent who unbeknowenst to him was the real daredevil, know that it was iron fist.
But anyways, from this fight you can see that danny didnt have knoweldge of who was attacking him, so its not unreasonable to assume he was fighting naturally as in, he wasnt withholding anything because of some advanced knoweldge that the real daredevil was attacking him. BUT i do think he was just confused. So. well. i agree, this fight is a bit tricky to make a judgement based off of. but it is a little clear that daredevil, in the moment, had full confidence and perhaps an upper hand.
p.s, if anyone hasnt read daredevil 25? ( i think) to current, you shuold, its one of the best written (and drawn) comics, in like, the history of comics.
Thanks for posting it. I had already read that fight JUST previous to bumping this thread - I have it on my computer - but, it's all good.
You're right, I forgot about when Danny realizes it's matt.
Regardless, I very much doubt that Danny would be going anywhere NEAR all out, while Matt still seemed Bloodlusted to me, "He doesn't understand my rage," and Danny trying to talk to the guy "He's saying something as I approach."
AND tryng to emulate Daredevil's fighting style.
Still, inconclusive at best.
🙂.
Originally posted by Soljer
Thanks for posting it. I had already read that fight JUST previous to bumping this thread - I have it on my computer - but, it's all good.You're right, I forgot about when Danny realizes it's matt.
Regardless, I very much doubt that Danny would be going anywhere NEAR all out, while Matt still seemed Bloodlusted to me, "He doesn't understand my rage," and Danny trying to talk to the guy "He's saying something as I approach."
AND tryng to emulate Daredevil's fighting style.
Still, inconclusive at best.
🙂.
yes, well said, and i ment to say that too. after re-reading it, your right to say that he was bloodlusted. So yes, that fight is definately inconclusive
Originally posted by Draco69
Wait....People here say Iron Fist can beat Batman (okay) and Richard Dragon (um..) and Lady Shiva (.......) and Batgirl (..............) but he can't beat Daredevil?
What seperates Daredevil from Batgirl for example?
Originally posted by Draco69
Wait....People here say Iron Fist can beat Batman (okay) and Richard Dragon (um..) and Lady Shiva (.......) and Batgirl (..............) but he can't beat Daredevil?
What seperates Daredevil from Batgirl for example?
Truthfully, dardevil would, well i have no idea who richard dragon is
but DD would (with the exception of batman using sonics) defeat everyone on that list
to answer your question, Daredevil has an incredible advantage over most H2h street level combanants due to the fact that he can sense movements as they are happening, and he can read emotions/movements due to his heightened senses. its like a pre-emptive spider sense.
he is also superhuman, physically. (although, not in an extreme degree, but superhuman none the less)
Originally posted by Draco69
Wait....People here say Iron Fist can beat Batman (okay) and Richard Dragon (um..) and Lady Shiva (.......) and Batgirl (..............) but he can't beat Daredevil?
What seperates Daredevil from Batgirl for example?
Well, I think that Cassie could take him, especially when no chi was specified, as it later was.
Ironfist is over-hyped on the forums, IMO.