Morgoth Bauglir versus Marka Ragnos

Considering that Morgoth at that point was still described by Tolkien as being the mightiest being in Arda, and Fingolfin dealt him some pretty nasty wounds, it's testament to his power.

I'll go look that up, but Sauron at his peak was more powerful than Morgoth at this point.

Yeah, but Sauron wasn't at his peak then and Morgoth at his weakest is still a being of titanic power

Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
[b]Considering that Morgoth at that point was still described by Tolkien as being the mightiest being in Arda, and Fingolfin dealt him some pretty nasty wounds, it's testament to his power.

I'll go look that up, but Sauron at his peak was more powerful than Morgoth at this point. [/B]

At his peak? Sauron never reaches a discernable peak in his power.

Originally posted by Traya
At his peak? Sauron never reaches a discernable peak in his power.

Agreed. I don't think Marka could defeat Sauron they might tie though.

Sauron would crush him, actually

Yes, most Maiar would, and the Valar make him look like a spek of dust/

Most ancient elves could walk over him, too

Like he crushed Elendil, Gil-Galad and Isildur?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sauron would crush him, actually

Thats why I said he MIGHT tie him. 💃

Being double teamed by the most powerful elf and human alive and then getting a cheap shot from the aforementioned's son isnt really a black mark on your power. He did kill Elendil and Gil-Galad...and I'd put LOTR power levels above SW's

Well, losing to someone like Elendil and Gil-Galad isn't something to be ashamed of. He did kill them too.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Being double teamed by the most powerful elf and human alive and then getting a cheap shot from the aforementioned's son isnt really a black mark on your power. He did kill Elendil and Gil-Galad...and I'd put LOTR power levels above SW's

Agreed.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Being double teamed by the most powerful elf and human alive and then getting a cheap shot from the aforementioned's son isnt really a black mark on your power. He did kill Elendil and Gil-Galad...and I'd put LOTR power levels above SW's

I wouldn't put Gil-Galad, Isildur, or Elessar over someone like Yoda or Mace, but certainly the Maia and the Valar trump anything in the Star Wars universe except Artoo.

I'd put the more ancient elves, like Turgon or Feanor or Fingolfin over the afore mentioned though

In power. I don't know about fighting ability.

Fingol fought off Morgoth for some time and Turgon's exploits in the fall of Gondolin? Heck, Feanor was squaring off with a Balrog that made Durin's Bane look like a wimp

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Fingol fought off Morgoth for some time and Turgon's exploits in the fall of Gondolin? Heck, Feanor was squaring off with a Balrog that made Durin's Bane look like a wimp

Thats questionable...

No one can say for sure how Gothmog compares to Durins Bane.

Gothmog OWNS Turin's Bane

Gothmog, was titled "The Lord of Balrogs"

He fought against Etchelion, but the two suicided to kill the other.

Originally posted by zephiel7
Gothmog OWNS Turin's Bane

Gothmog, was titled "The Lord of Balrogs"

He fought against Etchelion, but the two suicided to kill the other.

Gothmog was indeed titled Lord of the Balrogs, but that just means he is the leader...nothing specific on if he is the most powerful.

The fact that he tied against Etchelion is a mark against him, Ecthelion is merely an elf...while Durins Bane fought and tied against Gandalf(one of the most powerful Maiar).

I'll admit Gothmog is probably the more powerful, but it isnt for certain and Gothmog would by no means 'own' the fight.

One thing you have to understand is that ancient elven kings and greats were very near miar in quality.

Elven lords such as Fingolfin, and Feanor, perhaps Maedhros as well were stronger than many maiar.

Etchellion only killed Gothmog because he leaped at him and they both fell into a blessed fountain. Etchellion drowned and Gothmogs flames were "put out" by the holy waters.