Originally posted by zephiel7
What I want, instead of just hearing "Palpatine is the strongest," is HOW he outpowers Ragnos. If they jus say "Palpatine is the strongest", then it is just plain bias.
Indeed, I too would like to see this.
In the end though, the EU has enough discrepancy and is so broad, it does become an issue of judgment, instead of black and white.
Sidious never impressed me enough to be the Most Powerful of the Most Powerful, he seemed more of a Powerful Politician and a powerful force user, yes.
Well his Force Storm seems pretty unique, unless that technique also originated from the Ancient Sith, that might be the only way Sidious can defeat the Ancient Sith.
I fail to see when or how the force originated from the Ancient Sith, Palpatine discusses how he discovered it himself...and he's gpt about a million very effective kills.
One could also turn that around, Illustrious, and ask how Ragnos overpowers Sidious. There's never been any true source saying he was the mightiest Sith of all time. Yes, he rulled the Ancient Sith empire for a century, but what do we know about him? What did he really DO? Naga felt he was a stagnant fool, but Naga clearly lacked any true political support until Gav and Jori arrived.
Can we really just say Ragnos is the best ever for some vague legends and hearsay? The Ancient Emprie never truly impressed me. We saw they had impressive amplifiers and weapons, too...but Simus's death, Dor Gal-Ram too...they didn't really have any excuse and we've seen...quite a bit of what they've done duplicated. In KJA's Young Jedi Knights series, we see the villain Brakiss toy with solar flares to teach Zekk, we see a Fallanasi create a fleet of ships out of illusions...
How is a definitive statement by an omniscient narrator a "vague legend" and "hearsay?" It's nice that the Ancient Sith didn't impress you. Fortunate that Star Wars canon does not hinge on whether or not it impresses Lightsnake Almighty, God of Unsupported Assumptions, Irrelevant Misdirections, and Secondary Sources.
Originally posted by IKC
How is a definitive statement by an omniscient narrator a "vague legend" and "hearsay?" It's nice that the Ancient Sith didn't impress you. Fortunate that Star Wars canon does not hinge on whether or not it impresses Lightsnake Almighty, God of Unsupported Assumptions, Irrelevant Misdirections, and Secondary Sources.
What ;definitive statement?' A comic summary? I'd like to see this god among gods comment, myself...just combed from GAotS and FotSE and there's nothing about Marka's so called supreme power. And apparently, Marka was the strongest of that era, 5000 years prior. Thankfully, nothing in the star wars canon hinges on IKC...thank the gods in fact. Now, what was this definitive statement? "Most powerful of the power" Over a thousand years before men like Kun are born? Or Sidious and the sith of the thousand year darkness? Dan's remark:
"What material is being retconned? If it's a reference in Golden Age of the Sith to Marka Ragnos being the most powerful, that's not a contradiction. It just means he was the most powerful of that era. "
IT may be his opinion, but that opinion is in print...kind of like Thrawn being one of the best tacticians who ever lived
Irrelevant misdirections, logical fallacy.
You claimed his power (and that of the Ancients) to be established through "vague legend" and "hearsay." That is bunk. Your post doesn't even address this (and doesn't address what I said about it).
Also you made the ridiculous comment in your post that nothing about the Ancient Sith impressed you, to which part of my reply was aimed. To phrase it another way, we don't care that it doesn't impress you. You're not the arbiter of "impressiveness."
Originally posted by Lightsnake
and neither are you judging what is impressive. Come on, now, where's that definitive statement applying to the entirety of Star Wars?
The:
Used before an absolute adjective: the best we can offer.
The most powerful of the most powerful. Two definite articles in the same sentence uttered by an omniscient narrator.
That's the very definition of definitive.