he point is they were losing to 1/3 the characters a less powerful Monarch owned with ease. There was no if's an's or but's.
They were unprepared but there around 50 of them. You could send these rag tag top tiers after Thanos or Odin and they'd crush them by themselves while 50 Monitors were losing. Fc is irrelevant in how the Monitors were portrayed in countdown. Yes, they showed they had the power to deal with top tiers, but when a group of them were ready to attack then in numbers all 50 of them were losing. I said Sentry beat Superman before that feat. I said it widens the gap. pay attention to what I actually say as opposed to what you think I say.
FC shows how powerful they are. You can't excuse what feat you want and try and low ball a character. Then again, I am talking to Quan. DUH!
Originally posted by xJLxKingThey were altogether and lacked the power of what Monarch did to a much larger group. Monarch owned them so easily he didn't even have to kill them he made them fight for their lives.
As I said, read the issue. They weren't prepared, and uncoordinated. Whether it makes sense or not doesn't matter. That was the excuse that was being used.Again, whether you like the excuse or not doesn't matter. That was the excuse the used and that's why IT looked like they were in trouble. Losing? No! Why? They can just teleport and get out or whatever they want to.
FC shows how powerful they are. You can't excuse what feat you want and try and low ball a character. Then again, I am talking to Quan. DUH!
They were losing it was mentioned in the arc. Monarch and prime were well above Monitor just like Thanos.
Fc has nothing to do with how powerful they were in countdown. Ds was more powerful as were the Monitors. You are hilarious if you think everyone was still under the same power level as countdown.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They were altogether and lacked the power of what Monarch did to a much larger group. Monarch owned them so easily he didn't even have to kill them he made them fight for their lives.They were losing it was mentioned in the arc. Monarch and prime were well above Monitor just like Thanos.
Fc has nothing to do with how powerful they were in countdown. Ds was more powerful as were the Monitors. You are hilarious if you think everyone was still under the same power level as countdown.
LMFAO
What the hell is wrong with you. Why are you excluding Monitors from different issues? Do we exclude all of Superman's feats from OWAW because he was portrayed stronger then some other issues he was in? Of course not.
They are monitors and they proved in countdown and FC that they are way above Sky Father level. IF you don't believe, either have a battlezone or make a thread about it. Obviously, you know you'll lose.
You try to low ball a character just as much as Carver. What's even more funny, you try to act as if FC is irrelevant because it will destroy you entire argument.
What's more idiotic of you is to act as if characters that were beating Monitors in a war, were their level. Of course not. This is why they all died in the Universal explosion and not the Monitors. Not only that, but the AUTHOR stated why they were losing and you still act as if it's not important.
Did any of the Monitors die? No
Did they lose? No
Were they uncoordinated, and unprepared? Yes
Can they teleport? Yes
Can they stop time? Yes
Can they kill characters with a touch? Yes
Can they tank Universal explosion? Yes
Do they have technology that can destroy worlds? Yes
They are above sky father level.
If not make a thread, or do a battlezone
Originally posted by quanchi112Why does Thanos have no chance?
Because SBP will wail on him so hard that his whole reality will change.
If Thanos is quick enough to get his shields up (I can argue he's not) then SBP can crumble them in one blow leaving him defenseless.
BFR implies that Thanos can hit SBP. Plus SBP can escape a BFR by punching through dimensions, can he not? I could be wrong here.
Originally posted by h1a8
BFR implies that Thanos can hit SBP. Plus SBP can escape a BFR by punching through dimensions, can he not? I could be wrong here.
The only "dimension punch" I've ever seen was through that crystal barrier, so in taht case it was a physical barrier and not something like "hey look I punch in the air and am outta here" I could be wrong and that really happend but I'm not aware of something like that (If I'm wrong a scan would be appreciated 😉).
Originally posted by Parmaniac
The only "dimension punch" I've ever seen was through that crystal barrier, so in taht case it was a physical barrier and not something like "hey look I punch in the air and am outta here" I could be wrong and that really happend but I'm not aware of something like that (If I'm wrong a scan would be appreciated 😉).
I'm not sure either. My question is that if it was a physical barrier located somewhere then where is it located. Because I'm pretty sure they are not just hanging around.
Originally posted by ParmaniacHe punched his way out of the phantom zone as well.
The only "dimension punch" I've ever seen was through that crystal barrier, so in taht case it was a physical barrier and not something like "hey look I punch in the air and am outta here" I could be wrong and that really happend but I'm not aware of something like that (If I'm wrong a scan would be appreciated 😉).
Originally posted by xJLxKingWe were talking about how they were portrayed in countdown which has nothing to do with their power levels in fc.
LMFAO
What the hell is wrong with you. Why are you excluding Monitors from different issues? Do we exclude all of Superman's feats from OWAW because he was portrayed stronger then some other issues he was in? Of course not.They are monitors and they proved in countdown and FC that they are way above Sky Father level. IF you don't believe, either have a battlezone or make a thread about it. Obviously, you know you'll lose.
You try to low ball a character just as much as Carver. What's even more funny, you try to act as if FC is irrelevant because it will destroy you entire argument.
What's more idiotic of you is to act as if characters that were beating Monitors in a war, were their level. Of course not. This is why they all died in the Universal explosion and not the Monitors. Not only that, but the AUTHOR stated why they were losing and you still act as if it's not important.
Did any of the Monitors die? No
Did they lose? No
Were they uncoordinated, and unprepared? Yes
Can they teleport? Yes
Can they stop time? Yes
Can they kill characters with a touch? Yes
Can they tank Universal explosion? Yes
Do they have technology that can destroy worlds? YesThey are above sky father level.
If not make a thread, or do a battlezone
In general the Monitors are seen as more powerful than in countdown. The point is it was the countdown Monitors that were ass weak and even one of them plus a shield survived the universe blowing up.
In countdown they were nowhere near skyfather level. That's absurd.
My argument is how they were portrayed in one arc and you are cornered here. if we talk about owaw Superman and use him for a vs. fight we don't start referencing other arcs it's just that particular Superman. This is obvious and I could care less what your opinion is about me. Sorry, don't care.
They were losing. Prime kicked the shite out of one. They were nowhere near Monarch's or Prime's level.
If they could kill any old character with a touch that army of Monarch's would have been shredded. Guess what it wasn't. They were taking it to 50 Monitors.
Monarch owned them like children.
Originally posted by h1a8That's not honest. Give me an example of him punching someone in combat and reality changing. I mean we saw him fight BA, Superman, Guardians, the Am, sc corps, lanterns, multiple other heroes and reality doesn't change.
Because SBP will wail on him so hard that his whole reality will change.
If Thanos is quick enough to get his shields up (I can argue he's not) then SBP can crumble them in one blow leaving him defenseless.BFR implies that Thanos can hit SBP. Plus SBP can escape a BFR by punching through dimensions, can he not? I could be wrong here.
It's stretching on your part again.
Originally posted by h1a8He doesn't get back in time. When he was taken by the flashes he didn't just come right back did he? Nah. Thanos wins this any number of ways.
Because SBP will wail on him so hard that his whole reality will change.
If Thanos is quick enough to get his shields up (I can argue he's not) then SBP can crumble them in one blow leaving him defenseless.BFR implies that Thanos can hit SBP. Plus SBP can escape a BFR by punching through dimensions, can he not? I could be wrong here.
Originally posted by xJLxKingNot immediately.
And the speed force
Originally posted by redhotrash
Wolverine fanboys can argue him against SBP and say its a honest difference of opinion, doesnt make it any less ridiculous.
I'm not saying some comparisons are not ludicrous. But that is hardly the case here. I'm not sure who I'd take in this fight, but Thanos has had good showings against Skyfathers and Heralds. I don't it is unreasonable for people to go with him over SBP.