Originally posted by Fatal Smoke
The fatc that....What fact? That he was a fascist in control of a oppressive regime? He had good intentions, but was corruspted by power.
You said Lenin did a good job making Russia a world power. Guess what thanks to Mao, China is now a world superpower as well.
Originally posted by Eis
Doesn't change the fact that your reponse was surprising, painfully obvious, really.You said Lenin did a good job making Russia a world power. Guess what thanks to Mao, China is now a world superpower as well.
Originally posted by Fatal Smoke
And China was not a superpower before, right? Get you facts straight.
'Lenin emphasized the importance of bringing electricity to all corners of Russia and to modernize industry and agriculture. He was very concerned about creating a free universal health care system for all, the emancipation of women, and teaching the illiterate Russian people to read and write. But first and foremost, the new Bolshevik government needed to take Russia out of the World War.' All Stalin did was build on Lenins foundations and add some extreme marxism in the mix. Mao also essentially followed in Lenin's foot steps since Lenin was the first communist leader. He got Russia to prosper after one of the most brutal deppressions ever created without using war to base his economy.
'After the revolution, Lenin worked hard to combat Anti-Semitism, which was still alive in Russia as a heritage of the tsarist days. In a radio speech in 1919, Lenin said: "The tsarist police, in alliance with the landowners and the capitalists, organized pogroms against the Jews. The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews. ... Only the most ignorant and downtrodden people can believe the lies and slander that are spread about the Jews. ... It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. ... Shame on accursed tsarism which tortured and persecuted the Jews. Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations." '
In my eyes, this sound s like and ideal leader to me.
Originally posted by Eis
Guess I was too quick to assume the only reason why you thought Lenin was a great leader was because thanks to him Russia became a world superpower.Anyway, try not to pull a deano and copy-paste next time. It gives you much more credibility if you type it yourself.
While many people feel that Julius Caesar was the best leader of Ancient Rome, I would have to argue that it was Augustus (Octavian). He was a better leader because he was able to live long enough to actually lead the Empire. And as for Lenin, his first act was to surrender to Germany in World War I (treaty of brest letovsk) He did not make Russia great, the people of Russia made Russia great. And by the way they were a world power before Lenin (Peter the Great, Catherine the Great)