Originally posted by grey foxYou have to take into account that Wolverine does not get stupid when he goes berserk.
HmmmBerserker-The word "berserker" today applies to anyone who fights with reckless abandon and disregard to even his own life
Rage-(intransitive): To act or speak in uncontrolled anger.
Now that doesn't sound like a 'perfect state for killing' to me.
Shang Chi (speaking about Wolverine)- "His ferocity has not bred undicipline."
This means that although Logan acts like a savage, when he goes berserk he still retains all his skills. He is just trying to kill you instead of merely rough you up.
Originally posted by riceroost
Cap's FIGHTING SKILL is what gets him through fights with more powerful opponents. Against someone who can take out a man with 1,000 years of experience without taking a hit? Cap's dusted. His experience doesn't help him when his opponent is MORE EXPERIENCED.Wolverine didn't have adamantium at the time (follows the no adamantium rule) Ogun has all of Cap/Wolvy physical powerups (enhanced speed/reflexes, etc.) Wolverine didn't use his claws(follows no claws rule) And after Wolverine got mad and decided to actually fight Ogun never managed to hit Wolverine again. (No healing factor usage rule.)
My logic is perfect in this case.
Ok, whatever...
Originally posted by riceroost
You have to take into account that Wolverine does not get stupid when he goes berserk.Shang Chi (speaking about Wolverine)- "His ferocity has not bred undicipline."
This means that although Logan acts like a savage, when he goes berserk he still retains all his skills. He is just trying to kill you instead of merely rough you up.
Originally posted by capt it up
berserker in terms of fighter go read some books on it. they are fight that can enter a state of being that the only thing they think about is the defeat of there opponet and how best to do it.
u want me to post comics and pics of wolverien beserker were the y even explain what beserker can do.
Bullshit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker#Modern_popular_culture
I understand that wikipedia can be purposely changed , but i honestly doubt theirs much need to change this type of thread.
Berserker rage has nothing to do with finding the perfect way to kill someone , it's more about attacking as many people as you can , while fighting like a bear. With savage, unstoppable attacks.
Originally posted by riceroost
You have to take into account that Wolverine does not get stupid when he goes berserk.Shang Chi (speaking about Wolverine)- "His ferocity has not bred undicipline."
This means that although Logan acts like a savage, when he goes berserk he still retains all his skills. He is just trying to kill you instead of merely rough you up.
Originally posted by grey fox
Bullshit.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker#Modern_popular_culture
I understand that wikipedia can be purposely changed , but i honestly doubt theirs much need to change this type of thread.
Berserker rage has nothing to do with finding the perfect way to kill someone , it's more about attacking as many people as you can , while fighting like a bear. With savage, unstoppable attacks.
Cap's Advantages:
-Agility
-Speed
-Tactical skills
Wolverine's Advantages:
-Durability/Regenerative ability
-Senses
-Uh...claws
Equal Attributes:
-Strength
-Reflexes
-Fighting skills
I think that Cap's far superior tactical advantage will give him the edge in this fight. So, I say he wins the majority of the fights.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Cap's Advantages:
-Agility
-Speed
-Tactical skillsWolverine's Advantages:
-Durability/Regenerative ability
-Senses
-Uh...clawsEqual Attributes:
-Strength
-Reflexes
-Fighting skillsI think that Cap's far superior tactical advantage will give him the edge in this fight. So, I say he wins the majority of the fights.
Originally posted by capt it upI agree.....
please prove capt faster or more agile.
also please what capt best feta 1,100 pounds. his reflex are also always listed under wolverine and wolverine has far betetr feats of dodging. fighting skill wolverine has a huge experience advantage.
Caps Strengths:
Strength
Speed
Agility
Fighting skills
Tactics
will to win
Wolverine:
Durability
Senses
you say wolverine is more skilled, well prove it....and no claws allowed remember, oh yeah, and if wolverine is more agile, prove that too please...and cap has more strength feats than 1100 pounds, he tore steal with his bare hands.
Originally posted by grey fox
Cap cut a truck in half with his sheild.....
So he has a damn tough shield? Heck, I could kick a Toyota Corolla from the 1980's in pieces myself.
No really, an impressive feats, but Wolverine has cut through many things with a negligible amount of effort and has supported an elevator (or what was it?).
Originally posted by Tshern
So he has a damn tough shield? Heck, I could kick a Toyota Corolla from the 1980's in pieces myself.No really, an impressive feats, but Wolverine has cut through many things with a negligible amount of effort and has supported an elevator (or what was it?).
No just listen.
The shield is blunt , cap threw the shield HARD ENOUGH so that it could cut through the entire truck with ease. That has to be above freaking 1 ton.....
Originally posted by King KAM
I agree.....Caps Strengths:
Strength
Speed
Agility
Fighting skills
Tactics
will to winWolverine:
Durability
Sensesyou say wolverine is more skilled, well prove it....and no claws allowed remember, oh yeah, and if wolverine is more agile, prove that too please...and cap has more strength feats than 1100 pounds, he tore steal with his bare hands.
(Wolverine #9 coyote crossing part 3) this picture below shows some good dodging and agility. The next few pages which I do not have scans on my computer are in my option more impressive. Wolverine in the few pages after the one posted below dodge a lot more gun firer from a lot more men and while charging them with out taking a single hit.
http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wpyrate09181rt.jpg
(marvel team-up Spiderman and wolverine #117) wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army of guys while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text.
(Wolverine #120) wolverine is pinned between to cars he can move his legs and he still a guy shoot a hand gun at him from like 2 feet away and he still manages to move his head enough to dodge the bullet almost completely even though he is stuck. This is a low end feat, but I thought it was worth a mention.
Wolverine dodging the living lightning using his senses and speed to do it.
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinespeedfeat4hi.jpg
(Wolverine #142) wolverine through out this comic shows some pretty impressive dodging feats. He dodges laser and machine gun firer quite easily.
Speed feat. Wolverine is pretty dam fast. He is faster then human eye can see at times.
http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc54&image=22730_fast.jpg
(wolverine #97) wolverine while fight a bunch of guys in metal suits manages to while charging one to not be hit by a single bullet and when the guy is firing at him with two very high powered machine guns.
(House of M #3) wolverine while fighting his squadron manages not to be hit by a single bullet and even at one point shows the bullets in slow motion next to him. Also at one point night crawler teleport a foot or so away from him shooting as shown as he appear and wolverine still just ducks under the firer and crab night crawler tail easily with out getting hit.
(Wolverine #133) wolverine easily dodges energy blast sent his way by power house.
(x-men classic #55) wolverine dodges a laser blast front a sentinel even after prof.x was in his h3ad and made him lose his stride.
(Wolverine weaponx the origin of wolverine) soldier shoot bullets at wolverine and are shown to look like there in slow motion to wolverine.
(x-men x-cutioner’s song chapter 6) cable firer a gun at wolverine from point blank wolverine dodges it then cut cables gun.
(Wolverine #24) wolverine dodges a bullet from a trained assassin from close range and even comment on how easy it is.
(Wolverine in Black Shadow! White Shadow! Chapter one the killing ground) has wolverine cutting a guys gun to piece with out him even seeing it. Also in the same issue wolverine dodges a bunch of machinegun firer.
(Wolverine #40) wolverine well carrying a girl dodges beams of deadly light.
(Wolverine vs Spiderman nuff said? #48) wolverine has a little fist fight with Spiderman and seems to have had the upper hand in the battle.
(wolverine #137) wolverine dodges a bunch of lasers.
(x-men #103) wolverine shows some his agility well getting out of a trap rogue get him in.
Wolverines fast look at how he saves night crawler
http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speed4fn.jpg
(Wolverine soultalker 3) wolverine in a small room easily dodges the beam this witch girl shoots at him.
Wolverine is quite fast and accurate
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068170in.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinev1068183cz.jpg
(Wolverine #53) a rocket is flying through the air as it goes by wolverine he stabs it with his claws and leaps on it. In order to do this feat u would need amazingly fast reflexes and agility.
Originally posted by grey fox
No just listen.The shield is blunt , cap threw the shield HARD ENOUGH so that it could cut through the entire truck with ease. That has to be above freaking 1 ton.....
Originally posted by Soleran
thats right from the online dictionary.berserker
n : one of the ancient Norse warriors legendary for working themselves into a frenzy before a battle and fighting with reckless savagery and insane fury
reckless and insane aren't compliments to be used when fighting.
