The art of debating

Started by Capt_Fantastic11 pages

What does leet mean?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
What does leet mean?

Some sort of code in which you use symbols and numbers instead of words, the word "leet" itself comes from "elite"...which the people using it nowadays think they are. "leet" for example would be spelled as "1337", but it might be even crazier like ""win" as "\/\/1/\/". Originally it'S supposed to have been a useful Hacker language against codebreaking or whatever...who knows....ask Urban Dictionary for further information. Also, it's stupid ...

Originally posted by Janus Marius
It's hardly a debate if one side is going by certain rules (Arguing objectively, providing evidence, not slipping up with numerous fallacies, and so on) and the other is arguing like a fool.

In that case just leave the argument on those grounds. If someone is incapable of debating, don’t give them the impression that their yelling constitutes arguments by actually wasting time on them.

Originally posted by The Omega
In that case just leave the argument on those grounds. If someone is incapable of debating, don’t give them the impression that their yelling constitutes arguments by actually wasting time on them.

Definately. Some people aren't operating rationally, so you can never reach them.

Originally posted by The Omega
In that case just leave the argument on those grounds. If someone is incapable of debating, don’t give them the impression that their yelling constitutes arguments by actually wasting time on them.

I've left arguments like that before. Only real problem is that you're leaving your opponent in his/her self imposed ignorance.

docb77>You tried.
If people are unwilling to study evidence, consider arguments and spend the time to find support for their own claims, you’re merely catering to a childish craving for attention.
Sure, I can become frustrated by the sheer ignorance and stupidity. There’s an IGNORE-feature for those cases 😊

Originally posted by docb77
I've left arguments like that before. Only real problem is that you're leaving your opponent in his/her self imposed ignorance.

See, this is what I just don't agree with...in a discussion there are people having two sides (or maybe more sides) of an issue. You can't really say that whatever you think is a truth and the other person is ignorant. That's just assuming too much about yourself. If you claim to be as open minded as you said (not necessarily you I'm just generalizing) then you wouldn't treat the other person as ignorant. Not everyone has all the facts and no one is perfect. In a discussion I don't see opponents or ignorant people....I just see people.

That's true a lot of times. However, sometimes people are clearly ignorant, yet taking a stance anyways. If you clearly know more than they do, they're ignorant. That's not a negative labelling; it's the way it is.

And if you are presenting clear facts and they're doing the "lalalala not listening" act...then it's not only them being ignorant, but willfully so, which to me is far worse than simply not knowing something.

Exactly. Ignorance is forgivable. Willful ignorance is not.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Exactly. Ignorance is forgivable. Willful ignorance is not.

Willfull ignorance also seems like a contradiction in terms.

Not if you've seen it in action.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
See, this is what I just don't agree with...in a discussion there are people having two sides (or maybe more sides) of an issue. You can't really say that whatever you think is a truth and the other person is ignorant. That's just assuming too much about yourself. If you claim to be as open minded as you said (not necessarily you I'm just generalizing) then you wouldn't treat the other person as ignorant. Not everyone has all the facts and no one is perfect. In a discussion I don't see opponents or ignorant people....I just see people.

It's not so much whether or not the other person agrees with me or not. I would however, appreciate it if they would at least try to see my POV. I think it's important to see all sides of the issue.

Originally posted by docb77
I think it's important to see all sides of the issue.

I couldn't agree more.

Originally posted by docb77
I think it's important to see all sides of the issue.

Yes, but it is also important to abandon the wrong POV once you have seen it.

WrathfulDwarf> Ah, but when said people refuse to read your posts, and the act as if they’re being mistreated or NOT given an answer, and you try again, get the same reply and try for the third time, there is no debate. There is only waste of my time.

Willfull ignorance... I just stumbled across an example earlier, where "someone" yelled at AC and wanted a reply, and AC could answer that the reply had already been given.
This "someone" will proceed to pretend that the answer given by AC has NOT been given...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, but it is also important to abandon the wrong POV once you have seen it.

True, true. thumbup1

Originally posted by The Omega
WrathfulDwarf> Ah, but when said people refuse to read your posts, and the act as if they’re being mistreated or NOT given an answer, and you try again, get the same reply and try for the third time, there is no debate. There is only waste of my time.

Then why bother in the first place? If you already assume the other person won't listen to you?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, you rascals.

To add to my previous claim: It's less acceptable to then adopt the "Oh I'll be a right ol' card and do exactly what he claimed was immature and not funny, just to be funny." mentality.

For the record, I do appreciate that you speak leet to achieve some kind of over-emphasis and it's not serious, that it's meant in humour, I get it. It's just not funny and is becoming worse than original leetspeakers by the second.

Your choice as to what path you take 🙂<---Smiley.

-AC

well, surely its not funny if you say so, being the spokesman for the entire online community that is, as well as all knowing omnipotent god.

Originally posted by The Omega
WrathfulDwarf> Ah, but when said people refuse to read your posts, and the act as if they’re being mistreated or NOT given an answer, and you try again, get the same reply and try for the third time, there is no debate. There is only waste of my time.

Willfull ignorance... I just stumbled across an example earlier, where "someone" yelled at AC and wanted a reply, and AC could answer that the reply had already been given.
This "someone" will proceed to pretend that the answer given by AC has NOT been given...

Yeah, DB has this amazing ability to just... not get it.