These teams try and Invade Apokalips and DC Earth

These two seperate team are invading both DC Earth and Apokalips can they pull it off. No Parallax or Spectre.These teams are being lead by Stranger but he is not in battles

Invader team Apokalips
Obliterator- http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/RapSheetMain/Character2.asp?UniqueId=578

Champion/Power gem- http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Champion

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Runner- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/runnerelder.htm

Invader team for DC Earth

Perrikus- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-perrikus.html

Ultimus- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-ultimus.html

Mangog- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-mangog.html

Durok the Demolisher- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/durokdml.htm

Kurse- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-kurse.html

Nicholas Scratch- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/scratchnicholassalem.htm

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Team Apokolips fails when Darkseid erases them.

He can't erase Kursed beings that can't die so says Mistress Death

Galactus tried to kill them didn't work

Okay, then Darkseid teleports them away. Does that sound better?

Originally posted by golem370
These two seperate team are invading both DC Earth and Apokalips can they pull it off. No Parallax or Spectre.These teams are being lead by Stranger but he is not in battles

Invader team Apokalips
Obliterator- http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/RapSheetMain/Character2.asp?UniqueId=578

Champion/Power gem- http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Champion

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Runner- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/runnerelder.htm

Invader team for DC Earth

Perrikus- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-perrikus.html

Ultimus- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-ultimus.html

Mangog- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-mangog.html

Durok the Demolisher- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/durokdml.htm

Kurse- http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-kurse.html

Nicholas Scratch- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/scratchnicholassalem.htm

As TShern said, the Apokolips team gets blasted by Darkseid.
End of story for them .....unless you can somehow show me how the Source would be protecting a team from Marvel coming over to the DCU, and if they are not covered then Darkseid could do all sorts of nasty things to them with the Omega beams.

Now, for the DC Earth team:

From the links you gave.

Perrikus:
Powers: vast superhuman strength and durability, ability to shoot energy blasts.

Ultimus:
Powers: Ultimus has the ability to manipulate cosmic energy to augment his life force, granting him great longevity and regenerative abilities, the projection of cosmic energy as concussive bolts from his hands, the ability to project an invisible force field about his body varying from a radius of one inch to several yards, the ability to fly by harnessing anti-gravitons, and possibly other powers

Mangog:
Powers: Mangog has the ability to manipulate vast magical energies for various effects, including projection of concussive force, molecular manipulation of others.

Durok:
Powers: Incredible resilience and strength - class 75 at the very least . His tactics grasp was considerable, despite his lack of experience and of language. Had the ability of blasting some sort of (apparently concussive) energy from his hands in straight lines, with enough power to put the Silver Surfer down after a number of blasts.

Kurse:
Powers: Prior to his transformation into Kurse, Algrim possessed all the usual warrior skills of a Dark Elf; since his transformation, he appears to have lost all but the most basic hand-to-hand skills. In addition to the physical attributes listed above, Kurse can survive in such hostile environments as the ocean floor, and apparently no longer needs to breathe. The ability to sense the presence of his enemies, even across the distances as great as continents.

Nick Scratch:
Powers: Nicholas Scratch has vast knowledge of magical lore, enabling him to manipulate magical forces for teleportation, energy projection, animation and control of inanimate objects, and the tapping of extradimensional energy by invoking entities or objects of power existing in dimensions tangential to Earth's through the recitation of spells.

Alright, that is the team you put up for countering the ENTIRE DC earth, with the caveat being no Parallax or Spectre helping the 'hapless' DC Earthians out (as if they will be needed).

I think the first step when making the 'Character/s X versus DC Universe/Earth' threads is to ask yourself if they can successfully take over the Marvel Universe/Earth.
If they cannot do that in Marvel then what makes one think they can do that over at DC?

Now, these characters are not facing off against one team from DC.
They are facing off against the ENTIRE DC Earth, meaning every single super-powered/meta/other character, both villain and hero and anti-hero, that is currently on DC earth.
Meaning everyone ranging from the Phantom Stranger and Madame Xanadu (who are so powerful that the Spectre first attacked them before embarking on his Day of Vengeance riot) to every single character in DC Earth who can do anything ranging from shifting the path of a moon to popping bubblegum.

Now, the characters you have put above are powerful, but you put them against an entire planet.

They fall.

As Spetznaz said, they are facing a load of characters. A few Flashes, Superman, Martian Manhunter, Wonderwoman, Phantom Stranger, Madame Xanadu, Doctor Fate, Green Lantern and BATMAN!

The invade Dc earth team would take a sizable chunk out of the DCU , maybe even the Kryptonians....

When I mean no Spectre I meant nobody that powerful.

Ulitmus- http://www.knightmare6.com/faq/cosmic_entities_marvel/ultimus.html & http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Ultimus

I will take out Durok and Scratch and add Enslaver & Elder Demon

Little more feats for Mangog- http://www.leaderslair.com/marvelvillains/mangog.html

Enslaver- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/enslavermrrungomu.htm

Elder Demon- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/elderdemonda.htmhttp://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/elderdemonda.htm

Originally posted by grey fox
The invade Dc earth team would take a sizable chunk out of the DCU , maybe even the Kryptonians....

The team is indeed powerful, and it is very debatable on how many people they could take out (personally I believe very few, because if an entire planet is going against them and following KMC rules then it would be tantamount to total oversaturation. It would be a repeat of what the Germans experienced in WW2 when their KingTiger tanks, which were clearly superior, were totally defeated by inferior allied tanks that happened to be far more than the KingTigers. One on one it wasn't a match ....for example a shell from a Sherman couldn't even puncture the armor of the Tiger, but make it ten to one and the Tigers had no chance. This is a similar case, although here also note that the DC Earth team is not comprised only of 'Shermans.' It has characters that are 'KingTigers' themselves (even if you take away Spectre et al).
All the same it is debatable on how many the team could take out.

The important thing though is the whole 'Character X vs DC Universe/Earth' threads, which had died down for a couple of months but apparently are coming back.

It appears like there is some perception that Marvel characters are uber while DC characters are somehow not as powerful, and it is easy to see that on various threads.
For instance just in the last 2 days there were several threads on Jason (from the horror movies), where one had him facing off against Superman and another had him facing off against Doom (without his suit).
In the vs Superman thread you had some people saying that he could be able to defeat Kal-El (because Jason had a machete and 'class 30 strength'😉, yet moving over to the Doom thread people found it ludicrous matching Jason against someone like Doom.

If I took the thread above (for the DC earth team) and made a thread saying that team versus Marvel Earth, I can assure you that not two posts would be online before someone came and said that Dr Strange could take all of them out, or something along such lines. Basically single person TKOs.
Yet such a team is put against an entire planet.

At least the 'Marvel character X vs the DC UNIVERSE' threads that proliferated KMC last year haven't started coming back .....yet.

Originally posted by golem370
When I mean no Spectre I meant nobody that powerful.

1) When you say 'no Spectre or Parallax' I take it to mean no Spectre or Parallax.
If you were to say no one as powerful as the Spectre or Parallax I would have taken it to mean no people like Ion going up.
If you said no one powerful I would take it to mean you want an assured win.

2) Moreover, people like the Phantom Stranger and the like are not at Spectre (or Parallax/Ion) level power at all .....it is just that they have the ability to come up with stratagems that have a chance against seriously powerful characters, and to be able to back those strategies up with concrete levels of potency (although they do possess serious power themselves on an objective level).

3) Additionally, when you say 'nobody that powerful' are you going to keep on engaging that caveat until the only people left on DC Earth are pimply-faced teens with the power to bake really great chocolate-chip cookies?
If you just want a Marvel win say so .....I'll accomodate you.

Here is an example: ANY Marvel character (including Jubilee, Wolverine and Captain America) can defeat ANY DC character (including the Spectre and above) with ABOUNDING ease.
There. That was not difficult to do.

Ulitmus- http://www.knightmare6.com/faq/cosmic_entities_marvel/ultimus.html & http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Ultimus

I will take out Durok and Scratch and add Enslaver & Elder Demon

Little more feats for Mangog- http://www.leaderslair.com/marvelvillains/mangog.html

Enslaver- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/enslavermrrungomu.htm

Elder Demon- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/elderdemonda.htmhttp://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/elderdemonda.htm

Same thing.
You have a team taking on an entire planet.
Now, there are teams capable of absolute annihilation .....for example whip up a team that has White Crown Phoenix, Ion, Parallax, Thanos with the IG, the Spectre, the Living Tribunal et al, and have them face off against DC or Marvel Earth, and even the people who say 'Dr Strange TKOs them' would have to admit that the victor is obvious.
However some of the matchups that come up on the KMC are a tad bit ludicrous.

I really thought the whole 'Character X vs DC Earth/Universe' ended after that crazy thread where you had put a Marvel character against the entire DC universe (when that character had been defeated in the Marvel universe by combo work from Magik and Nightcrawler).

Anyways, flip the script and put your characters against Marvel Earth and see how many people will come out of the woodwork with Dr. Strange this Sentry that Hulk other.
Yet the ENTIRE DC Earth is supposed to capitulate!?!

Anyways: Rule of thumb - Unless a character/team-of-characters can take out Marvel Earth, then they cannot take out Dc Earth (and vice-versa, in that if a character/team cannot take out DC earth then they cannot take out Marvel earth).
The reason for this is because on a macro level DC Earth is equal to Marvel Earth, and the DCUniverse is equal to the MarvelUniverse.
On a macro level everything is on par.
It is on an individual basis that differences arise.
Thus, if Wonderwoman cannot take out DC Earth then she has no chance going against the MU.
And if the X-men have no chance against Marvel Earth then they have no business taking on DC earth ....even if Wolverine has claws and Xavier has telepathy.

Originally posted by spetznaz
The team is indeed powerful, and it is very debatable on how many people they could take out (personally I believe very few, because if an entire planet is going against them and following KMC rules then it would be tantamount to total oversaturation. It would be a repeat of what the Germans experienced in WW2 when their KingTiger tanks, which were clearly superior, were totally defeated by inferior allied tanks that happened to be far more than the KingTigers. One on one it wasn't a match ....for example a shell from a Sherman couldn't even puncture the armor of the Tiger, but make it ten to one and the Tigers had no chance. This is a similar case, although here also note that the DC Earth team is not comprised only of 'Shermans.' It has characters that are 'KingTigers' themselves (even if you take away Spectre et al).
All the same it is debatable on how many the team could take out.

The important thing though is the whole 'Character X vs DC Universe/Earth' threads, which had died down for a couple of months but apparently are coming back.

It appears like there is some perception that Marvel characters are uber while DC characters are somehow not as powerful, and it is easy to see that on various threads.
For instance just in the last 2 days there were several threads on Jason (from the horror movies), where one had him facing off against Superman and another had him facing off against Doom (without his suit).
In the vs Superman thread you had some people saying that he could be able to defeat Kal-El (because Jason had a machete and 'class 30 strength'😉, yet moving over to the Doom thread people found it ludicrous matching Jason against someone like Doom.

If I took the thread above (for the DC earth team) and made a thread saying that team versus Marvel Earth, I can assure you that not two posts would be online before someone came and said that Dr Strange could take all of them out, or something along such lines. Basically single person TKOs.
Yet such a team is put against an entire planet.

At least the 'Marvel character X vs the DC UNIVERSE' threads that proliferated KMC last year haven't started coming back .....yet.

There were quite a few people who recognized Jason vs Supes to be a non-contest. I didn't even bother with the Jason vs Doom thread. It had so many responses that I knew people were actually arguing Jason's case seriously. Both threads wre obvously ludicris, Jason vs Supes moreso.

Marvelites use their guys plot devices to guarantee a character a victory more ofte than DC guys (Juggernaut can't be hurt, Hulk has unlimited strength, Strange can do ANYTHING etc.) but DC fans aren't innocent either (Batman's prep).

I agree that you should think about whether or not a character conquer his or her own Earth before pitting them against another, but that doesn't always work out either. I created a thread that pitted Thanos, the In-Betweener, and RKT against DC Earth, and I was laughed out of the building. So much so that it convinced me to start reading a lot more DC. And I know with 2 months prep those 3 guys could take Marvel Earth.

As far as the thread, both teams get demolished.

Originally posted by Crease
There were quite a few people who recognized Jason vs Supes to be a non-contest. I didn't even bother with the Jason vs Doom thread. It had so many responses that I knew people were actually arguing Jason's case seriously. Both threads wre obvously ludicris, Jason vs Supes moreso.

Marvelites use their guys plot devices to guarantee a character a victory more ofte than DC guys (Juggernaut can't be hurt, Hulk has unlimited strength, Strange can do ANYTHING etc.) but DC fans aren't innocent either (Batman's prep).

I agree that you should think about whether or not a character conquer his or her own Earth before pitting them against another, but that doesn't always work out either. I created a thread that pitted Thanos, the In-Betweener, and RKT against DC Earth, and I was laughed out of the building. So much so that it convinced me to start reading a lot more DC. And I know with 2 months prep those 3 guys could take Marvel Earth.

As far as the thread, both teams get demolished.

Agreed on all points.

And yes ....it would be best for people to first think on whether their team can defeat their home base. If it can then it can defeat the other home base, if it cannot then it is a waste of bandwith making the thread.

As stated everything is equal on the Macro level .....especially the higher you go (eg the DCU is equal to the MU). It is only on the micro/individual level that differences arise.

Also agree on the Marvel fanboyism (and the peculiar ways it manifests itself) as well as the DC fanboyism (and the peculiar ways it manifests itself). There are differences between the two, both in terms of the quantity of fanboyism as well as its (lack of) quality, but both houses have that pox.

Enslaver took on a good number of Super Heros including Hulk and Namor easy heros and at full power was more powerful then Silver Surfer even Galactus at a weak status wouldn't mess with him.Elder Demon is ranked up there with Mephisto and Blackheart

The Runner would hit Darkseid ,millions of times before he could use his OE and While Darkseid is punch drunk he gets his back broke by Champion

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lol...Darkseid is a god....do you see Runner or Champion using that strategy against Thanos and succeeding? Champion with the Power Gem is still not as strong as Validus...and Darkseid keeps Validus at bay effortlessly. You have to remember...Darksied isn't the only being on Apokalips. The planet is full of Daxamites and other deadly beings...not to metion Darkseid's staff..such as Desaad, Kalibak, Granny Goodness, and others. Daxamites are supposed to be even stronger than Kryptonians. Imagine an entire planet full of Supermen...then you have Darkseid and Validus even above them....and you have no chance of a Marvel invasion working. In fact...this is pretty much a curbstomp as far as the Apokalips battle goes. If all else fails.....Darkseid can just open a boom tube and deposit those invaders inside...and just ship them off into some black hole...lol...or send them into the source wall.

all it would take is the champion punching apokalips, and it would be destroyed......

Apokalips is supposed to be a planet the size of a galaxy....and I'm sure Darkseid wouldn't let that happen. If Yuga Khan is on Apokalips too during this fight...he can just drain the energy from the soul gem...and from the fighters themselves