Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, that's obviously true. But on the other hand it is impossible to overdose on Marijuhana, and it is possible to OD Alcohol. So that can't really be the reason, can it?
No which is why I also positioned the behaviors associated with addiction of heroin,opium, cocaine. Someone in a nic fit more then likely isn't going to compromise their place in life for a hit. The other drugs I explained earlier can and have these effects on people.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Thanks to the deadliness?
😆 Okay, I guess I should’ve seen that one coming…
Originally posted by Soleran
Seriously addicting drugs with seriously mind altering affects are significantly different then cigarette addiction, thats just a crap comparison.
I suppose my point just flew right over your head. You can’t make drugs go away by making them illegal. The only way is educate educate educate! I suppose that’s just lost on you?
Originally posted by Soleran
Its a common news flash to hear about hardcore cigarette smokers commiting crimes such as murder, stealing, etc to continue to fund their habbit huh....................
Oh, stop being such a baby! You seem incapable of distinguishing BETWEEN legal and illegal drugs and their effects here, I take it. Ok, do you think people would STOP smoking if it was made illegal?
Originally posted by Soleran
I commonly see heroin or opium addicts functioning well and productive in society as well don't you? I suppose the mood altering affects of these drugs don't cause or have the ability to cause significant other crimes or illegal activites to occur as well.
Ah, at least you are perfectly well aware of the fact, that DESPITE opium and heroine being illegal there ARE addicts of those drugs? Good, that’s a start. Now, those drugs are illegal, right? That makes the prices very HIGH (you know, with smugglers and everything)… Hence the addicts will do whatever they can to OBTAIN money to get their drugs – you, know, since they are addicts and MUST have their drugs…
Can you explain to me how the functioning and productivity of drug-addicts is related to whether or not the drugs are legal or not?
Originally posted by Soleran
How ridiculous is it to read about anyone being happy that crazy drugs like heroin, opium and cocaine are being allowed for possesion simply because making them illegal doesn't stop them from being used.
How ridiculous it is to read about anyone being completely unable to grasp the fact, that drug-addicts do not care whether the drug is legal or not. They need it. They’ll steal and rob to get money to pay for it. By making them legal, they’ll be cleaner, and probably cheaper, thus reducing drug-related crime.
What is YOUR solution?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It is a crap comparison, Omega. Porque there are people in their 70's who have been smoking since they were teenagers and in relatively good health.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
But crack heads, junkies , and meth heads rarely make it to 40, porque some kind of shit always ends happening to their asses; like getting shot , stabbed, or OD'ing in the bathroom and then they're found with a needle in their arm the next day. They always need their fix and place it above all other priorities. I've seen it with my own eyes. Tobacco cannot be compared to hard shit, ey.
No, drugs are dangerous. Even alcohol can kill you. So your point is? Would it not be a good idea to truly educate people as to the bad effects of various drugs – and to help those already addicted with cleaner drugs, places to take their drugs and so on? Get them and their needles off the streets?
My point has nothing to do with the relative DANGER of the drug. It deals with drugs – that you can’t keep people from using and becoming addicted to drugs by making them illegal, and that legality and control are a far better way.
Soleran> Answer my questions!
• Do you think people would STOP smoking if it was made illegal?
• Can you explain to me how the functioning and productivity of drug-addicts is related to whether or not the drugs are legal or not?
• What is YOUR solution?
Quiero Mota> Same goes for you. Answer my questions, and stop trying to dogde them.
• Oh, so because a few smokers are in good health cigarettes are NOT bad for you??
• Why then all the adds and campaigns to show people that smoking is bad for you??
• Would it not be a good idea to truly educate people as to the bad effects of various drugs – and to help those already addicted with cleaner drugs, places to take their drugs and so on? Get them and their needles off the streets?
My point has nothing to do with the relative DANGER of the drug. It deals with drugs – that you can’t keep people from using and becoming addicted to drugs by making them illegal, and that legality and control are a far better way.
Originally posted by The Omega
Soleran> Answer my questions!
• Do you think people would STOP smoking if it was made illegal?
• Can you explain to me how the functioning and productivity of drug-addicts is related to whether or not the drugs are legal or not?
• What is YOUR solution?My point has nothing to do with the relative DANGER of the drug. It deals with drugs – that you can’t keep people from using and becoming addicted to drugs by making them illegal, and that legality and control are a far better way.
I'd love to answer your questions but I have yet to read a response to one of my questions now, this is the second thread you have avoided answering my questions in however I'll humor you in this game.
1. Stop comparing smoking to these hard drugs they don't have even remotely the same effects on judgement and perception and if you think they do you need to review some facts about addiction and LT effects of these drugs.
2. Heroin, Opium, Cocaine have effects that even when you aren't on them at the time your "down time" is so long and hard that it will affect your productivity on a job through absentism, tardiness inability to do the job you were hired to do.
3. I am all for education but to allow these drugs to become legal (with the exception of marijuana) even to be carried in small doses is assinine.
So lets talk about educationg and how this helps people as well as freedom of choices. How about fast food, in the USA its obviously relatively fast, practically devoid of nutrients, processed and full of fat. Now its a very legal and hey its your body and now look America is faced with a growing obesity problem! Wow now thats just food without the side effects of heroin or opium or cocaine! Clearly people understand eating to much is bad but hey look fat America.
Tobacco, lets educate ppl ok. Great so lets offer smoking cessation programs as well! Guess what people who are addicted 90% of the time don't want to use these programs they are happy with its effects and the addiction itself! SUPER all that education and still we are concerned about the age of smokers today as they are still lighting up in highschool. The difference is that nicotene doesn't affect your judement like these other drugs do so a nic fit person isn't likely to commit a crime.
Now lets make heroin, opium, cocaine legal and then help the drug addicts with their addiction! Yea super so now not only are we facilitating the people with addictions of substances that significantly alter your perceptions we are essentially we are delivering a message that will allow others to have a greater degree of access and potentially MANY more addicts that we are now "educating" and facilitating. In addition with altered perceptions in affect "high" your judgement is sh1t and you are still more prone to do something illegal because you won't think about the repercussions.
Now I did ask you not compare cigarettes and hard drugs and I apologize for using that example but I needed to illustrate something at a relatively laymen level in these drugs we are discussing. The solution is still to keep educating and make people aware of what happens to people on these drugs and how it affects the people who care about you as well, Education but certainly not promoting through legalization.
Originally posted by Soleran
I'd love to answer your questions but I have yet to read a response to one of my questions now, this is the second thread you have avoided answering my questions in however I'll humor you in this game.
Ah, finally. I was beginning to think you were unable to. Since I posted my questions first, I want answers to my questions first. You, good sir, started the game of not answering.
Originally posted by Soleran
1. Stop comparing smoking to these hard drugs they don't have even remotely the same effects on judgement and perception and if you think they do you need to review some facts about addiction and LT effects of these drugs.
When will it dawn on you that the point I am making has NOTHING to do with the relative danger of A drug? Well, darn… You are STILL not answering my question dspite yoru promise to do otherwise. Here it is… for the xth time:
Do you think people would STOP smoking if it was made illegal?
Originally posted by Soleran
2. Heroin, Opium, Cocaine have effects that even when you aren't on them at the time your "down time" is so long and hard that it will affect your productivity on a job through absentism, tardiness inability to do the job you were hired to do.
Yes, old news. This won’t change whether the drug is legal or not, will it? Alcoholism isn’t exactly creating functioning workers either, is it? Can you explain to me how the functioning and productivity of drug-addicts is related to whether or not the drugs are legal or not?
Originally posted by Soleran
3. I am all for education but to allow these drugs to become legal (with the exception of marijuana) even to be carried in small doses is assinine.
Originally posted by The Omega
Ah, finally. I was beginning to think you were unable to. Since I posted my questions first, I want answers to my questions first. You, good sir, started the game of not answering.When will it dawn on you that the point I am making has NOTHING to do with the relative danger of A drug? Well, darn… You are STILL not answering my question dspite yoru promise to do otherwise. Here it is… for the xth time:
Do you think people would STOP smoking if it was made illegal?Yes, old news. This won’t change whether the drug is legal or not, will it? Alcoholism isn’t exactly creating functioning workers either, is it? Can you explain to me how the functioning and productivity of drug-addicts is related to whether or not the drugs are legal or not?
Why? Would you start taking heroine, opium and cocaine just because it was legal?
1. No I am pretty sure a majority wouldn't stop smoking if it became illegal. Now please list some common crimesbehavious associated with smokers who are craving nicotene and are having withdrawls and what are crimes associated with heroin, opium, cocaine?
2. No, I am not going to get into the socio-economics of absentism and replacement workers in the work force due to chemical dependancies. However please list the benefits that you see as to allowing possession (and more then likely usage) of said drugs to create a benefit for allowing said drugs to be legal.
3. No, I wouldn't use the drugs but guess what I don't eat at fast food places either, I don't smoke either, I'm not a big drinker either. However smokings legal and wow thats certainly helped to curb the habit, so by your logic if we legalize said drugs the habits would be easier to control and wouldn't get so out of hand, I fail to see that logic realizing how addicted smokers act. So explain how your course would prevent a situation similar to what we face with smokers.
Originally posted by Soleran
1. No I am pretty sure a majority wouldn't stop smoking if it became illegal. Now please list some common crimesbehavious associated with smokers who are craving nicotene and are having withdrawls and what are crimes associated with heroin, opium, cocaine?
Originally posted by Soleran
2. No, I am not going to get into the socio-economics of absentism and replacement workers in the work force due to chemical dependancies. However please list the benefits that you see as to allowing possession (and more then likely usage) of said drugs to boost productivity.
AGAIN: This won’t change whether the drug is legal or not, will it? Alcoholism isn’t exactly creating functioning workers either, is it? Can you explain to me how the functioning and productivity of drug-addicts is related to whether or not the drugs are legal or not?
Originally posted by Soleran
No, I wouldn't use the drugs …
There you go. Finally got it, did you? 😉
Originally posted by The Omega
Quiero Mota> Same goes for you. Answer my questions, and stop trying to dogde them.
Oh, so because a few smokers are in good health cigarettes are NOT bad for you??
•Why then all the adds and campaigns to show people that smoking is bad for you??
•Would it not be a good idea to truly educate people as to the bad effects of various drugs – and to help those already addicted with cleaner drugs, places to take their drugs and so on? Get them and their needles off the streets?
1. Yes, it's bad for you.
2. Moral crusaders.
3.Sure, why not.
Now, proceed to tell me how many crack heads and meth heads you've known personally. Or better yet, have you ever found a close relative dead in the bathroom with a needle in his arm?
Originally posted by Soleran
So Omega how often are you around people that are drug addicts to see what it can do?I read alot of probably's in there as well, something I learned a long time ago is to make things easier and more accesable doesn't dilute the problem but now you can facilitate their "needs."
Originally posted by Darth_Erebusi'm moving to Mexico!*hops on plane*
Good for Mexico. Now if only the US would do the same
Yee ha!
Yee ha!
and once more
Yee ha!
Wow, I am impressed, it only took Mexico until the year 2006 to figure out rather than wasting billions and billions of dollars on a war that can never be won, they are rather going to use the money to do something nice for their people, like buy them all a pizza (which they now will have the money to do, plus leave a nice tip!)
I wonder how long the US will take to wake up? Though, judging by some of the comments here, I guess I shouldn't hold my breath, I suspect most Americans still think prohibition was a good idea as well...
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Oh, and just before you all start preaching at me, by the way, I did my post grad work about the discourses between pro-hemp and anti-hemp movements, so unless you anti-hemp/anti-decriminalisation people have some new arguments, don't bother. All you are doing is repeating the same indoctrinations I have heard a thousand times before
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Oh, and just before you all start preaching at me, by the way, I did my post grad work about the discourses between pro-hemp and anti-hemp movements, so unless you anti-hemp/anti-decriminalisation people have some new arguments, don't bother. All you are doing is repeating the same indoctrinations I have heard a thousand times before
Fantastic clapping I'm sure you're very enlightened