NJO Luke vs Ragnos

Prove it. Or shut the hell up

Okay, welcome back, Tdtd. Let's hope that doesn't happen again, shall we? Sorry if I seem unfair, but now that you're back, I'll allow you to point out times when you think I should be punishing others.

Anyways...

Darth Ruin is canon in the EU world. Wikipedia is a reliable source as long as the report is not biased and has a cited source. Articles without cited sources are not reliable.

And for KOTOR...does the possible existence of the remains of the Ancient Sith Empire come from choices made in gameplay? I don't mean conversation choices, but like...taking Light or Dark, etc. Gameplay experiences are usually 'Kyle Katarn knows Force Lightning!' or 'Kyle Katarn owned Jerec with relative ease!'

Originally posted by Captain REX
And for KOTOR...does the possible existence of the remains of the Ancient Sith Empire come from choices made in gameplay? I don't mean conversation choices, but like...taking Light or Dark, etc. Gameplay experiences are usually 'Kyle Katarn knows Force Lightning!' or 'Kyle Katarn owned Jerec with relative ease!'

In THAT case, it is not a gameplay experience, and is actually a plot device. Therefore, the Ancient Sith Empire is, apparently, out there.

Some people here are apperently totally unable to read and listen to sources.

a)
Darth Ruin formed the new Sith Empire and this happened 2,000 years BBY or 2,000 years after Kun. What the hell does that have to do with the ancient Sith Empire. Allright: Nothing.

b)
Revan wents to unknown space to find a unknown threat which made the Mandalorians attack the Republic. Kreia just estimates that the "real Sith" are dwelling somewhere in the unknown territory and Revan went to find them but both games descripe the nature of the "threat" he's going to find as unknown.

c)
Another great Lightsnake idea: The Sith species was destroyed but the Ancient Sith Empire was still existant ? Haha. The Sith were the Sith Empire and may I remind you that the entire Council (consisting of 10 Members) was killed during the conflict or fled from the Ancient Sith's space (Sadow) and Odan talks how they defeated the remains of the Ancient Sith Empire ?

So apparently the Ancient Sith were gone. Hell...we even see the complete governing body (the members of the Sith Council on Ziost) leaving Sith space (Sadow) or getting killed before, during and after the war. So if there was anybody left in Kun's era it clearly was nobody who deserved the Dark Lord title otherwise this wouldn't have been handed to Kun.

According to KOTOR 2, the True sith Empire is still out there and Revan's gone after them. Ancient or no, there's still the Sith Empire.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
According to KOTOR 2, the True sith Empire is still out there and Revan's gone after them. Ancient or no, there's still the Sith Empire.

Where does it say explicitly that this is the case? I seem to recall only Kreia's speculation.

Carth's explanation of Revan's fleeing, how it wasn't the Mando's choice to attack the Republic and what Kreia says at the end

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Carth's explanation of Revan's fleeing, how it wasn't the Mando's choice to attack the Republic and what Kreia says at the end

Which is still Kreia's speculation. What are you trying to do here ? "No. It wasn't A but instead it was A" ? Lmao.

Where was it speculation exactly?

Canderous himself said the Sith came to the Mandalorians with an offer that they attack the Republic.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Some people here are apperently totally unable to read and listen to sources.

a)
Darth Ruin formed the new Sith Empire and this happened 2,000 years BBY or 2,000 years after Kun. What the hell does that have to do with the ancient Sith Empire. Allright: Nothing.

b)
Revan wents to unknown space to find a unknown threat which made the Mandalorians attack the Republic. Kreia just estimates that the "real Sith" are dwelling somewhere in the unknown territory and Revan went to find them but both games descripe the nature of the "threat" he's going to find as unknown.

c)
Another great Lightsnake idea: The Sith species was destroyed but the Ancient Sith Empire was still existant ? Haha. The Sith were the Sith Empire and may I remind you that the entire Council (consisting of 10 Members) was killed during the conflict or fled from the Ancient Sith's space (Sadow) and Odan talks how they defeated the remains of the Ancient Sith Empire ?

So apparently the Ancient Sith were gone. Hell...we even see the complete governing body (the members of the Sith Council on Ziost) leaving Sith space (Sadow) or getting killed before, during and after the war. So if there was anybody left in Kun's era it clearly was nobody who deserved the Dark Lord title otherwise this wouldn't have been handed to Kun.

At least someone here has common sense.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Have you read DE, Illustrious? The final battle between Luke and Palpatine consists of the greatest power we have ever seen in SW, they were approaching DBZ levels of power here...moving around as light and dark flashes faster than the eye can see, shockwaves killing bystanders out of the sheer power of the fight....force sensitives feeling it all the way across the galaxy. It was not just Luke vs Palpatine, it was effectively a battle between the light and dark sides of the force.

Do you honestly see the ancient sith pulling *this* kind of power out of their ass? I dont.

Illustrious...I await your reply.

they were approaching DBZ levels of power here

Right, because how often do we see Palpatine transform into King Kong, see his hair become a gay yellow color and spiky, or sprout a monkey tail out of his ass, or being wished back to life by some balls?

Super SaiyaSith?

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Right, because how often do we see Palpatine transform into King Kong, see his hair become a gay yellow color and spiky, or sprout a monkey tail out of his ass, or being wished back to life by some balls?

It was DBZ, minus the queerness.

Perhaps, however he hasn't performed the Super SaiyaSith Ultimate-mecha-10x-Kamamemmemememahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha-Iron Fist-Instant Super-Kaokien-Dragonball-bomb-with a laser attached at the penis-attack, so I'd conclude that he sucks.

DBZ is horrid...

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Right, because how often do we see Palpatine transform into King Kong, see his hair become a gay yellow color and spiky, or sprout a monkey tail out of his ass, or being wished back to life by some balls?

*Steals quote*

Good quote... I'm stealing your house thingy.