the eight deleted scenes about to come on the AOTC DVD are:

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canon is how you call things that are official.
Like, in RotJ, the Sarlacc ate Boba Fett, so a canon source, the movie, said Boba is dead.
non-canon like the EU said he escaped.

Pretty strange phrase if you ask me 🙂

of course it is! You ever heared any sense coming out of me?
thing is, canon are the movies, the novelization and the radio drama.
Those things are what you can base yourself on

Great, now i can stop looking puzzled whenever someone uses the word

It's 'canon' as in religious law; canonical law is that officially approved by the Church, and the phrase got extended into storytelling some while ago.

we are christian??? 😱
ow nutz!

I have the official AOTC Movie Storybook in front of me : and I quote verbatim as follows :

" Seething ... the count ignited his lightsabre and charged. He attacked ferociously, but Yoda's superior command of the force, prevented Dooku from landing a single blow ... Finally the Count slowed. Then Yoda attacked. The small but powerful Jedi flew forward, his lightsabre a blur of light. Dooku did not stand a chance against his old Master's magnificent lightsaber skills.

' Fought well u have, my old Padawan,' Yoda said when the Count retreated.

' This is just the beginning ', Dooku hissed.

Using his remaining energy, Dooku sent a giant crane crashing towards Obi Wan and Anakin ... " etc.etc.etc.

This is the official SW AOTC movie story book published by Random House ....

The implication is clear .... Yoda IS the supreme master, definitely superior to Dooku.

That this fact did not come out clearly in the Yoda - Dooku duel on screen, is therefore a weakness in the screenplay that might have been bettered.

hmm, question is, how canon is it?

and that Yoda is stronger in the force is quite clear:
"much to lear you still have"

It's the official AOTC Movie Storybook ... everything scene by scene exactly as per the movie nothing more nothing less. If there was something in there that did not tally with what was intended to be conveyed by the movie storyline, it wouldn't have been in there. Lucasfilm wouldn't have allowed it. And it's written in very simplistic language ... purposely so, so that even 10-12 year olds can comprehend everything. It's very simple ... the intention was definitely to convey Yoda as the supreme master, superior to Dooku, in mastery of the force, AND lightsaber skills ( and remember the two are not separate distinct things ... they both are interwoven ).

it's just that when I heared of "what's canon, what's not", there was no mentioning of storybooks, because they weren't written at the time.
It's not that I doubt you harmax, I believe you 😉

I would have preferred to see Yoda be the stronger fighter. But either way, he kicked ass.

It's nonsense that Lucasfilm would have vetoed stuff like that; they have an EXTREMELY weak track record in this sort of thing.

All we can say is that on film the swordfight as created by Nick Gillard definitvely showed the two of them as equals and that overrides all else.

I know u doubt me not ! What I meant to say was, this is the official AOTC movie storybook ... it's not the novelization, it's not EU, nothing ....
the official movie storybook, exactly as per the movie no more no less. So the question of it not being canon does not arise.

As far as the onscreen fight is concerned, while Dooku was not overwhelmed by Yoda, he wasn't exactly fighting on equal terms either. He was definitely put on the retreat, on the defensive. One got the impression, that had the fight carried on, he would have eventually lost.

Not at all. What we saw was Yoda taking an extrmely aggressive apporach- unsurprising considering his height- and Dooku taking the exact best response- careful, measured defence.

It was two swordmasters displaying flawless technique; if it had gone on either Dooku would have made a mistake and been killed or Yoda would have become momentarily vulnerable and been killed by a riposte. It was evens.

It is a big mistake to say that a fighter on the defensive is losing. Doubly so with the style Dooku uses. Swordfighting is very often all about the defence and waiting your chance.

It was not represented like that in my opinion. I saw it plainly that Dooku couldn't beat Yoda.

There's a difference between a fighter adopting a defensive role in combat, in response to extra aggression ( which as u said, does not mean he is losing ), and a fighter being put on the retreat, being made to lose the initiative.

I definitely felt that by the end of the combat ( which was quite short ) Dooku had definitely lost the initiative to Yoda, and was put on the retreat .... only, not overwhelminlgy so ... he could have carried on defending longer no doubt about that ... but Yoda had the initiative with him by the end, I felt quite sure of that too.

Well, it looked dead evens all the way to me. I would have put the odds on him if anything because a super-aggressive style never lasts. You just cannot keep it up.

I definitely didn't feel it as dead evens.

I was expecting a complete domination of Dooku by Yoda, which obviously did not happen - Dooku managed to hold his own quite creditably.

At the same time, it did not come out exactly even. I clearly felt Yoda's edge over Dooku. My only complaint was that, ( for myself ), this edge was not shown as more pronounced than what it was.

If you insist. But my analysis of the fight is that Nick clearly showed us two equals.