Originally posted by Nactous
Not as bad as you lover Timothy Z.
LMAO, kid. Come back when you can actually insult. Or when you reach puberty, either one.
The entire point is that you made a bizarre and pointless analogy that had no bearing on the argument whatsover, and then when Motoko rebutted your diatribe, you go on a "ZOMG teh Zahn sucks" crusade...
AHH the lecture Begins, (and no, i'm not cocky).
Nactous: Revans Batty Boy, Sig is have arsed i should know:
My Forum:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=405474
Ganner Rhysode: very factual, good job: stay out of the argument until u have something good to say (Nactous) Learn from this...
Swirly Girl: stop being so bitchy and get to the point ur smart but u go on to much...
Jonathan Mark: Nice sig... nothing else
To the Revan VS. Thrawn Argument...
Revan:
Tactics:
vs. Ships: 8
vs. Troops: 9
vs. both: 8 1/2
Strategy:
vs. Ships: 9 1/2
vs. Troops: 10
vs. both: 10
Thrawn:
Tactics:
vs. Ships: 9
vs. Troops: 8 1/2
vs. both: 9
Strategy:
vs. Ships: 10
vs. Troops: 10
vs. both: 10
Revan:
Cons: Had less experience. He was tainted by the dark side and lost some patience.
Pros: He was Force adept. He had a well trained fleet under his command in nearly every battle whether he trained them or not.
Thrawn:
Cons: He was not Force adept or even force sensitive.
Pros: More experience. He had a well trained fleet under his command in enough of his battles.
Revan is the greatest military leader proven yet. (i.e: the Mandolorian wars turn around. Malachor V for one). A great Strategist because of his force perception but not a good Tactician because of his dark side angered and rash decisions. If he had not been tainted so much he would of kept his Patience and been able to see the flaws in his own Strategies and kept calm in the heat of battle.
"Only Revan was worthy of our respect. We swept throught the Outer Rim without opposition - until Revan assumed command of the Republic forces. Only then did the battle turn."
— Canderous Ordo
At the start of the Mandalorian Wars, the Republic Military was in desperate need of assistance and petitioned the Jedi Council for aid, but the Council refused. The scars from the recent Sith War still ran deep and the Council was reluctant to charge into another conflict so soon after the last. They also sensed that there had to be something amiss about the whole situation, as though the true threat had not yet presented itself, yet not all the Jedi were willing to accept this stance of apparent inaction. Since rising to the rank of Jedi Knight, the charismatic and powerful young Revan had developed a sizable cult of personality - being a figure of admiration and awe amongst his peers. When the devastating events of the Battle of Cathar became widely known, Revan rebelled against the Council and sent forth his call to arms. Hundreds of Jedi, Padawans, Knights and even some Masters, rallied to his seemingly noble cause.
Revan’s entrance into the war marked its turning point as he steadily began to push the Mandalorians back. Praised as heroes of the Republic, he and Malak were rapidly promoted until they were given complete control over a third of the Republic's fleet. Revan’s clever military strategies and apparent tactical ability (still when he was with the light) were hailed by many as the salvation of the Republic, while others admired Malak’s courage and fiery determination to win at any cost. Together, they liberated Taris, fought Cassus Fett - Mandalore's primary strategist - at Jaga's Cluster, and eradicated much of the Mandalorian army at Althir.
Even so, some few became concerned by the cold and calculating methods that the Fallen Jedi were willing to implement in order to attain victory. Though Revan’s strategies were flawless and Malak’s righteous fury was unmatched, the pair began to mirror the Mandalorians they were fighting. They grew to despise weakness and indecisiveness in all its forms. At some point during the war, Revan was scouting for bases along the Outer Rim when he learned of Malachor V, a planet that the Mandalorians were “forbidden” to step foot on. Upon the surface, he was nearly destroyed by dark energies, yet such was his strength of will that he was able to turn and feed on it and not be consumed. He survived the encounter, but unlike many who were tainted by the dark side Revan did not let his actions be directed by the dark side, merely influenced giving him his patient and calculated outlooks on battles to come.
Thrawn , appalled by the "Vader style" of command that so many of his contemporaries supported, Thrawn preferred to promote creativity in his crew, rather than merely punish their failures. This was perhaps best exemplified in a pair of incidents surrounding the tractor beam control pit. During his campaign against the New Republic, a tractor beam operator aboard Chimaera responsible for allowing Luke Skywalker to escape capture, was, by his order, executed at his post in a rather brutal fashion by Rukh. On the other hand, when Skywalker escaped a similar trap again, he rewarded the new tractor beam operator, Rejlii Mithel, with a promotion to Lieutenant, because he had employed creative thinking in his attempt. In addition, Thrawn encouraged his senior officers to express their own ideas and gave them reasoned consideration rather than ignore any outside ideas, as many an Imperial commander had done during the height of the Empire, which is exactly the way of a patient minded, caring, intuitive leader. The sharp contrast between Thrawn's style and that of megalomaniac and sadistic Imperial leaders heightened Thrawn's ability to lead.
Thrawn’s command boosted the morale of his crew through victories, but also through his clear dedication to the Empire. Officers and crewmen serving under Thrawn admired his lack of concern for personal glory, only the defeat of the Empire’s enemies and the establishment of order. It was later postulated that Thrawn did not support the Empire per se, but rather wanted to establish order in the known Galaxy in preparation to combat as-yet-unknown threats he had discovered during his time in the Unknown Regions of the Galaxy.
Finally, Thrawn was willing to admit defeat. Rather than stand proud and fight a losing battle, Thrawn knew when it was time to retreat, although those instances were few and far between.
The Convo...
I am actually involved in the making of KOTOR in about 10 years after EPS. 7, 8, 9. I Wrote to George and said he should do it and he wrote back saying if i could prove it would be worth it, he'd do it and take me along for the ride and i did. I got lots and lots of lists of people all over the UK, USA, AUS and proved to him that it would be worthwile. He wrote back saying he'd do it if i could explain how to go about it, seeing their is a true story where revan turns light and there's the one where he turns dark, me and George both want to do it the way it is told currently on the wookiepedia and have him going to the light side we already figured out its going to be a man and its going to be six movies. I Have Lots more meetings with him and have discussed many things and in one of them he decided if he can get them done asap after the next three eps. then if he can get two done then he'll see whether i can pull off directing the rest of the KOTOR films. During one of the discussions we actually talked about how we should rank Revan in each aspect and the Lightsaber dueling came up and then his unclear Battle expertese and funny enough we actually compared Thrawn and Revan and came up with the above conclusion. So that is actually how GL said it himself and the first things were my opinion...
Originally posted by Nactous
Even though he was killed by the weak ass Noghri.
I'd consider myself one of the more laid-back, mature, and polite KMC debators.
But you really are an idiot.
Thrawn got killed by a weak ass Noghri. So, let's discuss that:
1. Thrawn, unlike Darth Revan, wasn't Force-sensitive, nor did he do a lot of combat. Coleman Trebor, the Jedi guy who Jango Fett owned in Attack of the Clones could probably own Thrawn in personal combat. What the hell's your point?
2. Nohgri aren't weak ass. They are incredibly quick, agile, and strong.
3. So, how the hell does Thrawn getting betrayed by a capable assassing in personal combat make him any less of a tactition?
Originally posted by TheBalance
AHH the lecture Begins, (and no, i'm not cocky).Nactous: Revans Batty Boy, Sig is have arsed i should know:
My Forum:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=405474
Here's quite a few questions:
1.) Is there a reason you put a link to your sigs in every post you make?
2.) Is there a reason to copy and paste from Wiki verbatim for no apparent reason?
3.) WTF are those figures?
4.) WTF are you talking about GL for?
5.) "...actually compared Thrawn and Revan and came up with the above conclusion." - what was the "above conclusion"?
Originally posted by Escape81
I'd consider myself one of the more laid-back, mature, and polite KMC debators.But you really are an idiot.
😆
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Here's quite a few questions:1.) Is there a reason you put a link to your sigs in every post you make?
2.) Is there a reason to copy and paste from Wiki verbatim for no apparent reason?
3.) WTF are those figures?
4.) WTF are you talking about GL for?
5.) "...actually compared Thrawn and Revan and came up with the above conclusion." - what was the "above conclusion"?
Read the whole thing again GL, as u call him, actually said that Revan was a better strategist, but thrawn was a better tactician because he wasn't corrupted by the dark side and didn't aim for glory and justice and George Lucas said that to my face...
and the above conclusion was the above statistics that i put at the top of my text...
Originally posted by TheBalance
Read the whole thing again GL, as u call him, actually said that Revan was a better strategist,
Stated where exactly? You're word for it? Lol.
but thrawn was a better tactician because he wasn't corrupted by the dark side and didn't aim for glory and justice and George Lucas said that to my face...
Yeah, and George Lucas is actually my secret lover! Please.
and the above conclusion was the above statistics that i put at the top of my text...
Which gives us a figure that you made up? No.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Stated where exactly? You're word for it? Lol.Yeah, and George Lucas is actually my secret lover! Please.
Which gives us a figure that you made up? No.
Hate ur sig btw its grossly distasteful
and i dont care whether u believe me if u do, u do. if u dont, then u dont.
and i dont care because i seriously am not trying to glorify myself so think what u want and the facts are there
i cant wait to see ur face when my name appears on the screen of a movie in America and if it appears on the KOTOR films
enjoy ur sarcasm, i dont care
Originally posted by TheBalance
Hate ur sig btw its grossly distasteful
Point being? Your sig looks as if you used Paint, lol. I would seriously blow your sigs out of the sh*thole they are in.
and i dont care whether u believe me if u do, u do. if u dont, then u dont.
and i dont care because i seriously am not trying to glorify myself so think what u want and the facts are there
i cant wait to see ur face when my name appears on the screen of a movie in America and if it appears on the KOTOR films
I'll be looking for "TheBalance" in the credits of Star Wars XVII: A New Jackass. I suspect you'll be the star.
enjoy ur sarcasm, i dont care
I do and will enjoy my sarcasm.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Point being? Your sig looks as if you used Paint, lol. I would seriously blow your sigs out of the sh*thole they are in.I'll be looking for "TheBalance" in the credits of Star Wars XVII: A New Jackass. I suspect you'll be the star.
I do and will enjoy my sarcasm.
1. you wouldn't blow my sigs out of the sh*thole go take a look at the stuff everybody says about my sigs and check out the ones I've made
especially my Vong one:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=405474&perpage=40&highlight=&pagenumber=1
2. My Names Tarik Vann and I've already
Produced: 1 pro-am movie and 1 Feature film in Aus
Directed: 2 pro-am movie and 3 Feature film in Aus
Written: 1 pro-am movie and 2 Feature film in Aus
Starred: 1 pro-am movie and 2 Feature film in Aus
Have won numerous Awards for TV, Radio and recently Film
I'm a Professional Graphics Manager/Designer for C31 in Melb, Aust. So I've got the experience.
Starred and Stage Managed in Numerous Professional Theatre Productions:
Backstage crew for ‘Catchment’s production of ‘My Fair Lady’ 2006.
Assistant Stage Manager of OP wing for ‘Loyola Musical Society’s production of ‘Les Miserables’ 2005.
Backstage crew for ‘Candlelight’s production of ‘He | She | It’.
Floor Manager ‘Inpit Lane’ Season 2, 3, 2005.
Graphics Manager/Designer ‘HeavyWeight’ Season 2 2005.
Assistant Stage Manager for ‘Loyola Musical society’s production of ‘Cabaret’.
Friday synTV Presenter Season 2, 3, 2005.
Producer of Tuesday synTV Season 2, 2005.
Co-Ord (Co-Ordinater) for synTV Fridays then later on Tuesdays Season 1, 2, 2005.
Presenter of ‘The Hoist – The Breakfast show with Tarik Vann and a Random Guest That might even be your Plummer’ Summer/Christmas Holidays Grid, 2004-2005.
Presenter of ‘Straight Cordial’ SYN FM mid 2003 – end 2004.
Presenter of ‘The Helm’ SYN FM mid 2001 - mid 2003.
Career Highlights: Interviewing ‘Evermore, 28 Days, Russell Morris, Bodyjar, Gus and Frank, Area 57, Behind Crimson Eyes, Antiskeptic, The Spazzys, 67 Special, Parkway Drive, After the Fall, Sounds Like Chicken, No Idea’.
Opening and Closing Night of ‘Les Miserables’ (with standing ovations).
Re-Programming the whole graphics system.
Managing Mixed Breed and recording their album ‘The Wave’ dedicated to the Tsunami victims.
so if your gona call anyone a jackass let it not be the man who has more potential and talent and experience by age of 16 than you'll ever have...
Originally posted by TheBalance
1. you wouldn't blow my sigs out of the sh*thole go take a look at the stuff everybody says about my sigs and check out the ones I've made
especially my Vong one:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=405474&perpage=40&highlight=&pagenumber=1
Please, don't parade your sigs around as if they're extremely good.
2. My Names Tarik Vann
Really? All that and it seems Google only comes up with your name as on KMC. But let us take a look at IMDB. "Tarik Vann"? Did you spell your name right?
so if your gona call anyone a jackass let it not be the man who has more potential and talent and experience by age of 16 than you'll ever have...
Considering you can't spell...
I would say they're very mediocre. The colors are way too saturated, they're too cluttered, and the text just makes it a huge mess. Leave off the huge quotes for starters; text should be small and unobtrusive, not overpowering the entire sig. Also, the quality tends to be poor, and the "sig by TheBalance" is just completely unnecessary.
u pick one reply out of the whole damn thread and post that one plus that guy doesn't like crowdyness i think it adds some things to sigs, but look at mine its not crowded cause i personally like the simplicity of mine and the meaning of the text...
Please, don't parade your sigs around as if they're extremely good. Anyways, off topic. Discussion for this doesn't belong here.
sure, ok but u started it
Really? All that and it seems Google only comes up with your name as on KMC. But let us take a look at IMDB. "Tarik Vann"? Did you spell your name right?
Considering i haven't registered with IMDB it would be pretty hard to find me and if u came to australia and searched on our google then u might find a little more on me, and most of what i said in my post was copied straight out of my CV...
Considering you can't spell...
what did i spell wrong that i was trying to spell right
Originally posted by TheBalance
Considering i haven't registered with IMDB it would be pretty hard to find me
You don't need to register with IMDB. Do you think the guys who are dead or have been for fifty or so years register in their grave? No.
and if u came to australia and searched on our google then u might find a little more on me, and most of what i said in my post was copied straight out of my CV...
CV? Curriculum Vitæ? Point being...?
What do you mean "came to Australia"? I type in Australia and Tarik Vann, and I get nothing. I type in the names of what you posted, and get nothing!
what did i spell wrong that i was trying to spell right
*sigh* your gona = you're going to. ur = your. have arsed = ?? Assuming half-arsed. crowdyness = not a word, should've been crowdedness. Among numerous others.
Really though, I could care less. I'm just in a pissy mood, so I apologize if I was rude.
[B]You don't need to register with IMDB. Do you think the guys who are dead or have been for fifty or so years register in their grave? No.
No but they imdb ppl got permission to post him up there
CV? Curriculum Vitæ? Point being...?What do you mean "came to Australia"? I type in Australia and Tarik Vann, and I get nothing. I type in the names of what you posted, and get nothing!
the australian google search engine is differant to the U.S. one, i know my dad worked on setting it up in Aust. and before u start doubting him he's been a Professional IT System Program Analysis Contracter for 27 years...
*sigh* your gona = you're going to. ur = your. have arsed = ?? Assuming half-arsed. crowdyness = not a word, should've been crowdedness. Among numerous others.
yeah exactly words that i knew were wrong but cbf fixing...
though i do admit i missed the "have-arsed" one...
Really though, I could care less. I'm just in a pissy mood, so I apologize if I was rude.
I accept that apology and forgive u and also appologies, even though i had my reasons, if i have been overly rude to u.