Originally posted by Juntai
He can shift the map of the universe away from them. Maybe not writing them OUT of it, but- effectively KICKing them out. Seriously, the Celestials just plain aren't messing with someone with control of all time and reality with a thought. Barring that though, Celestials should beat JLA 1 million.
I'd agree with you there EXCEPT for the fact that TWO cube beings (one of which used to be the beyonder) were quoted as saying their powers were as nothing compared to that of the celestials. Cube beings alter reality on a planetary scale on a regular basis.
Kubik's power was capable of creating at least a duplicate of Earth (and its people) and the sun from the matter in a pocket dimension. Hence, Kubik may be more powerful than beings such as Odin, Zeus and the Watcher Uatu, who have not been shown to be capable of such feats.
It appears even reality warpers would have a hard time with one celestial, let alone the entire race. Whatever reality powers hourman has won't be helping him here.
Originally posted by Space M ummyThis isn't "planetary" reality warping though, Hourman 1 million had pretty much COMPLETE control of reality as a whole when wielding the Worlogogg. Time and space itself were playthings to the Android before he gave up the power. His only real fault, that being omnipotent, he never really grasped what he was doing, down on an Earthly scale, and then wanted to feel what it was like to be human.
I'd agree with you there EXCEPT for the fact that TWO cube beings (one of which used to be the beyonder) were quoted as saying their powers were as nothing compared to that of the celestials. Cube beings alter reality on a planetary scale on a regular basis.Kubik's power was capable of creating at least a duplicate of Earth (and its people) and the sun from the matter in a pocket dimension. Hence, Kubik may be more powerful than beings such as Odin, Zeus and the Watcher Uatu, who have not been shown to be capable of such feats.
It appears even reality warpers would have a hard time with one celestial, let alone the entire race. Whatever reality powers hourman has won't be helping him here.
Originally posted by Juntai
This isn't "planetary" reality warping though, Hourman 1 million had pretty much COMPLETE control of reality as a whole when wielding the Worlogogg. Time and space itself were playthings to the Android before he gave up the power. His only real fault, that being omnipotent, he never really grasped what he was doing, down on an Earthly scale, and then wanted to feel what it was like to be human.
Anyways, in his appearances, he was shown manipulating multiple timelines and universes, locking people outside of time, erasing events from history, moving planets between time and space. Even gave Superman Prime, "New Krypton" as a gift after his arrival.
hmm, having control of time and space doesn't equate to omnipotence, though if what you're saying is correct he was clearly VERY powerful because i know how powerful the worlogogg is. for him to do wipe out the celestials though, you must also assume that he could operate the worlogogg BEFORE the celestials reduce him to slag, or put a virus in him that makes him unable to function (ala solaris). if it came to a race of who is capable fo acting more quickly to abolish the other, hourman is a highly sophisticated android, but celestials are celestials . . . even with the gogg, i'd say celestials would win.
now, a couple interesting questions. if he DID erase the celestials, he would also be responsible for whatever effects their destruction had on the universe. i wonder what effect they WOULD have? no eternals, no thanos are a couple quick and easy ones . . .
and beyond THAT -- could the wielder of the gogg, given sufficient time, erase the phoenix force . . .? 😗 and would it necessarily follow that the universe/multiverse is ended simultaneously and hourman and the gogg along WITH it??
Originally posted by leonidasBut he's not affecting anything, this is a vs thread, not continuum comics.
hmm, having control of time and space doesn't equate to omnipotence, though if what you're saying is correct he was clearly VERY powerful because i know how powerful the worlogogg is. for him to do wipe out the celestials though, you must also assume that he could operate the worlogogg BEFORE the celestials reduce him to slag, or put a virus in him that makes him unable to function (ala solaris). if it came to a race of who is capable fo acting more quickly to abolish the other, hourman is a highly sophisticated android, but celestials are celestials . . . even with the gogg, i'd say celestials would win.now, a couple interesting questions. if he DID erase the celestials, he would also be responsible for whatever effects their destruction had on the universe. i wonder what effect they WOULD have? no eternals, no thanos are a couple quick and easy ones . . .
and beyond THAT -- could the wielder of the gogg, given sufficient time, erase the phoenix force . . .? 😗 and would it necessarily follow that the universe/multiverse is ended simultaneously and hourman and the gogg along WITH it??
Originally posted by Space M ummy
I'd agree with you there EXCEPT for the fact that TWO cube beings (one of which used to be the beyonder) were quoted as saying their powers were as nothing compared to that of the celestials. Cube beings alter reality on a planetary scale on a regular basis.Kubik's power was capable of creating at least a duplicate of Earth (and its people) and the sun from the matter in a pocket dimension. Hence, Kubik may be more powerful than beings such as Odin, Zeus and the Watcher Uatu, who have not been shown to be capable of such feats.
It appears even reality warpers would have a hard time with one celestial, let alone the entire race. Whatever reality powers hourman has won't be helping him here.
Notice that it states Kubik having placed the team within a pocket dimension to do all of that.
The creator of a pocket dimension controls everything within it (eg they are 'God' ) . Hourman* Hasn't created the DC dimension yet can control space and time .
Also aren't the cubes CREATED by the celestials (or have something to do with them)
Originally posted by leonidas
and beyond THAT -- could the wielder of the gogg, given sufficient time, erase the phoenix force . . .? 😗 and would it necessarily follow that the universe/multiverse is ended simultaneously and hourman and the gogg along WITH it??
For him to do that the Phoenix Force would have to
a) be a byproduct of the time and space
b) be a resident of time and space
It is neither. 😉
Originally posted by grey fox
Notice that it states Kubik having [b]placed the team within a pocket dimension to do all of that.The creator of a pocket dimension controls everything within it (eg they are 'God' ) . Hourman* Hasn't created the DC dimension yet can control space and time .
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Nope. It states that Kubik created a duplicate Earth and Sun from the matter within a pocket dimension. On top of that the cube beings have already shown they can manipulate the matter of the 616 so youre incorrect there. You seem to be implying for some reason that their powers would only be able achieve such feats in a pocket dimension. Why would they have that absurd limitation? Where have you seen on panel evidence to justify that assumption?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. It states that Kubik created a duplicate Earth and Sun from the matter within a pocket dimension. On top of that the cube beings have already shown they can manipulate the matter of the 616 so youre incorrect there. You seem to be implying for some reason that their powers would only be able achieve such feats in a pocket dimension. Why would they have that absurd limitation? Where have you seen on panel evidence to justify that assumption?
No, what i'm stating is that they can cause various small scale warping feats. But for something as large as planetary/universal recreation they need to open a pocket dimension.
Originally posted by grey fox
No, what i'm stating is that they can cause various small scale warping feats. But for something as large as planetary/universal recreation they need to open a pocket dimension.
And where did you happen to pick up that piece of information? 😕
Its not the case at all.
Cube beings can warp reality on a planetary scale, thats the extent of their power, they do however have the potential for universal level warping power as stated in their bios however they are still below the likes of the Celestials. Try picking up issue 3 of the All New Official Handbook series. Its got an entry for the cubes you might find helpful.
Originally posted by grey fox
Dont take this in the wrong way. But No.This is not because i am trying to stunt my knowledge , but because it's impossible for me to buy a book . None of my local (hell even most of the non-local) outlets sell any comic related items.
No offence taken. You not reading the relevant comic books doesnt cause me physical pain. Although it does mean i have to correct your guesswork 😉
Either way i dont know where this stuff about them having to be in a pocket dimension to apply the full extent of their powers came from. Thats completely unsupported and conclusively incorrect when the employment of their abilities in 616 is well documented.
Can someone explain to me then what the sword superman can do, I keep hearing it makes the weilder one with god.
Here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=395070&highlight=superman+1+million
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Can someone explain to me then what the sword superman can do, I keep hearing it makes the weilder one with god.Here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=395070&highlight=superman+1+million
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Can someone explain to me then what the sword superman can do, I keep hearing it makes the weilder one with god.Here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=395070&highlight=superman+1+million
Ok now the sword of superman gives it's wielder Omniscience (aka the ability to see and know everything) BUT due to a misinterpretation of what Omniscience meant the rumour started going around that the sword of superman made you as powerful as God
See GS i do know some stuff 😎
Superman 1 million or prime never had the sword. It was pre-crisis superman who had the sword and threw back into heaven. Celestail win hands down, Areshim made Odin bow down to him and he is Skyfather. Eixtar alone will blink them outof exitences, Superman has imp blood but it has been dilude over the years. Celestails are a race, Celestails wins hands down.