how would star wars be effected if qui gon lived

Originally posted by Archangelysses
The point is this

Qui Gon Jinn was a major threat to Sidious and Sidious knew it. Sidious knew Qui Gon would find Anakin. We know from canon and source material that Qui Gon was an exceptional Swordsman. Maul was trained as a Weapon to eliminate Jedi. Maul was trained to kill Qui Gon. Basically delivering Anakin up to Palpatine

And that it was Maul's job to go fetch Anakin sounds even more unlikely.

No No No

Let me try to explain a bit more -

We know Sidious could see the future, more clearly than the Jedi. We know that Sidious was a master planner, nothing ever had just one simple outcome.

The hypothesis is this, Sidious could see the future, he knew the coming clone wars and around the time of Naboo set that in motion. He knew Maul was not going to survive as he already knew of Vader's Coming. Therefore, he knows that Qui Gon was to find the chosen one. I will have to re-read cloak of deception but I seem to recall palpatine influencing Valorum on the Jedi to send. (But don't quote me on that, as I can not swear to it).

He knows that Qui Gon is a maverick, and more in tune with the force than the current council. He knows that Qui Gon has to be eliminated. Maul was the tool to do so. I even think he foresaw Maul's death. And had already begun his plan on Dooku. He knew too clearly what was coming at the time. Remember the clone troopers were started not long after the end of Naboo at least within the same year as born out by Episode II. That was all started by Dooku after he had become Tyranus.

The trade federation was more than just naboo. It was to set the stage for droid armies. To further estrange the senate by it's inactivity and to create the CIS. The trade federation were never meant to win.

Darth Maul was never anything more than an assassin - albeit a very, very good one. Therefore, Maul's real duty was to eliminate the threat to Darth Vader - Qui Gon Jinn. REmember when Palpatine arrives on Naboo - Young Skywalker - We shall watch your career with great interest. That shows he knew then. But I believe he knew long before that.

In my opinion, if Qui-Gon had lived, then Palpatine would've just devised a new plan. He's a smart guy, so I'm sure he could pull something off, such as waiting until some opportune moment and having Qui-Gon killed (by Jango or Dooku or somebody) in front of Anakin. Anakin would definitely be pissed and unleash his anger and I'm sure that would work to Palpy's advantage.

Bottomline: Qui-Gon would get owned later on if he did not die in Episode One. Anakin would still become Vader, but in a different way.

Agreed

Qui Gon was doomed to die to be able to save the Galaxy. In life he could only have delayed the inevitable. In death he could end it.

Originally posted by Archangelysses
No No No

Let me try to explain a bit more -

We know Sidious could see the future, more clearly than the Jedi. We know that Sidious was a master planner, nothing ever had just one simple outcome.

The hypothesis is this, Sidious could see the future, he knew the coming clone wars and around the time of Naboo set that in motion. He knew Maul was not going to survive as he already knew of Vader's Coming. Therefore, he knows that Qui Gon was to find the chosen one. I will have to re-read cloak of deception but I seem to recall palpatine influencing Valorum on the Jedi to send. (But don't quote me on that, as I can not swear to it).

He knows that Qui Gon is a maverick, and more in tune with the force than the current council. He knows that Qui Gon has to be eliminated. Maul was the tool to do so. I even think he foresaw Maul's death. And had already begun his plan on Dooku. He knew too clearly what was coming at the time. Remember the clone troopers were started not long after the end of Naboo at least within the same year as born out by Episode II. That was all started by Dooku after he had become Tyranus.

The trade federation was more than just naboo. It was to set the stage for droid armies. To further estrange the senate by it's inactivity and to create the CIS. The trade federation were never meant to win.

Darth Maul was never anything more than an assassin - albeit a very, very good one. Therefore, Maul's real duty was to eliminate the threat to Darth Vader - Qui Gon Jinn. REmember when Palpatine arrives on Naboo - Young Skywalker - We shall watch your career with great interest. That shows he knew then. But I believe he knew long before that.

He did have to get rid of the princess though and had sent Maul to take care of her protectors. Well, whatever. Sidious couldn't have expected the jedi to go to Tatooine after escaping Naboo and then also even finding someone with the potential as Anakin.
I don't want to hear anymore nonsense about Sidious knowing exactly everything that would happen just like the duel against Mace. Such stuff comes way to close to fanboyism to me wich scares the hell out of me.

Actually its not fanboyism. Its just a simply study of Machiavellian scheming.

I never stated Maul knew about slave boy, Just the opposite. And we already know and have the proof about Sidious having brilliant foresight. At least 3 times throughout the movies he states "Everything is proceeding as I have forseen" or something very similar.

No I don't think he knew about Tatooine at all, but I do believe he knew Qui Gon would find The Chosen One. Since it was the Chosen One that brought about the end of the Jedi then it is fair to state that Palpatine/Sidious knew this.

Anyway, this is a hypothetical debate, if you don't like what you read, why read it,

And as for Mace, I personally believe that he beat Sidious fair and square.

Killing them himself or having anakin do it made no real difference. Anakin had already decided to join the sith, he wanted the teachings to save padme

What the f*ck? If I don't like what you write, why read it?
I know.. I should've used my foreseeing powers to have known what your post would be about. Forgive me for not using teh force.

How much contact has Palpatine had with Anakin anyway, from TPM until AotC?

Actually it was a simple response to your statement of not wanting to hear anymore nonsense about sidious knowing everything.

According to AOTC quite a lot

in their conversation which forgive me if I misquote

P = Your patience has paid off
A = your guidance helped

Yeah yeah, let's not talk about responding to statements and other off topic stuff.
However I will stick by Yoda's explaining of seeing the future, namely that it is always in motion therefore not predictable. I will not believe theories of Sidious knowing everything without some better arguments.
Ah, just forget it.. it won't happen anyway.

I am not saying he knew everything

However at the PT time he knew more than the jedi. His vision of the future was not clouded but clear.

Yoda states in AOTC - Blind we are if creation of this clone army we could not see
The clone army was created close to the time of naboo. Therefore the Jedi were blind back that far.

Palpatine says to dooku in AOTC something along the lines of Everything is going as planned
to Vader in OT everything is going as I have forseen

It seems only fair to state that at the time Palpatine had a much better view of the future

quick off topic question: who is the dude on the far left. i can't remember his name.

Originally posted by Archangelysses
I am not saying he knew everything

However at the PT time he knew more than the jedi. His vision of the future was not clouded but clear.

Yoda states in AOTC - Blind we are if creation of this clone army we could not see
The clone army was created close to the time of naboo. Therefore the Jedi were blind back that far.

Palpatine says to dooku in AOTC something along the lines of Everything is going as planned
to Vader in OT everything is going as I have forseen

It seems only fair to state that at the time Palpatine had a much better view of the future

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
quick off topic question: who is the dude on the far left. i can't remember his name.

Vor'en Kurn

just found it. anywaaaaaaaay...........

quigon would kill emperor?

Not likely. Ataru sucks and so does maul. Maul was killed by an ugly padawan and Qui-gon failed, therefore Qui-gon=teh SuXX0rz.

Yoda made ataru look good though

Imagine how much better Yoda could've been without all the useless movement in Ataru!

Not sure, Ataru compensated for Yoda's size allowing him to be all over an opponents ass like he was to Dooku. I'm not sure if he would have been as effective at anything else