There were A LOT of edits to the OT that people aren't aware of. Scenes, dialogue, and much more. Besides, there's no way that the real OT wouldn't go through the same clean up process as the other set.
BTW, it made perfect sense to have Hayden Christensen in as a Jedi Spirit at the end of ROTJ. I don't know why fanboys are so up in arms over it.
Originally posted by C-Dic
BTW, it made perfect sense to have Hayden Christensen in as a Jedi Spirit at the end of ROTJ. I don't know why fanboys are so up in arms over it.
Your movies are finished, George. Stop working on them.
Originally posted by Wolfie
But putting Christensen in a movie that was made when he was two years old, no.
Alls I can say is that it made sense, and while I'm a purist in every sense of the word, a 4 second shot of Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw is absolutely NOTHING to get worked over about.
But, we're getting "Star Wars" the way it was, not necessarily the way it was ever intended, but the way we all want to remember it. Flaws and all.
Originally posted by C-Dic
There were A LOT of edits to the OT that people aren't aware of. Scenes, dialogue, and much more. Besides, there's no way that the real OT wouldn't go through the same clean up process as the other set.BTW, it made perfect sense to have Hayden Christensen in as a Jedi Spirit at the end of ROTJ. I don't know why fanboys are so up in arms over it.
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"The original films' video quality will not match up to that of the restored versions. "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not as good as state of the art 2006," Ward says."
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Most of the edits weren't of great relevance. The only one people REALLY care enough about to have demanded this so vigorously is the Han thing. So as I say, it's a lot of effort just to get a crapper print version with that in. I guess that is fans for you.
There are tons of instances, aside from Han. Dialogue went changed, scenes ommited, the score was tinkered with in pivotal moments. I'd be glad to source them all later tonight.
"The original films' video quality will not match up to that of the restored versions. "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not as good as state of the art 2006," Ward says."
...and they also said that these didn't even exist, so I take that with a grain of salt, when in fact, the laserdisc transfers are just as good as regular DVD to begin with. And anyone else that beliefs these won't get an upgrade just needs to look at the couple of excised scenes from "Empire of Dreams", how cleaned up they were, which weren't even in the films, then tell me that.
This has been planned for a long, long time. What's driven this is having the actual theatrical versions on DVD.
You know, that's just not fair. The world is finally being offered legitimate, original theatrical versions of "Star Wars", the biggest Sci Fi franchise ever, and now everyone just sees it as an appeasement? There have been plenty of people that have held off on the other releases in anticipation of these.
I don't see what's so wrong in being a purist? George Lucas is a capitalist, granted, but the people that enjoy his older films aren't mindless drones that buy into everything he puts the namesake on. "Star Wars", the ORIGINAL "Star Wars" is finally being made available after 30 years, and people are excited for it. He didn't even want to admit to these things being still existing, and to have held out for this long, his convictions that the theatrical versions weren't what he wanted released must have been pretty damn strong, given he could have cashed in a long time ago, before the general public's opinion of his soured.
..and as promised, here are the instances that are expected to be restored on the theatrical editions;
I think that's what Lucas see's them as, just a way to make more money off of his fans. Nothing against the fans, I understand why they want these films out, but anyone who bought the other trilogy on DVD and is still going to now buy this version is just giving the man what he wants. He wanted to trick people into buying the other trilogy using the "the old versions don't exist" as their excuse. Now that everyone has the new versions, he's trying to cash in and get all of his hardcore fans to now buy this trilogy set as well. I think it's just a real shitty thing he's doing, and I'm very glad I don't give a shit about the original versions, I'm perfectly happy with the set I have now. It's my opinion that the people who are buying this set after buying the other set ARE mindless drones just sucking up every Star Wars release there is. However, the people who held out and didn't buy the other set did a smart thing if they care, and I'm glad they're now going to get the versions they love.
I have no idea of the relevance of the link you put there, C-Dic. I dare say I am a bigger fan than you and I know every single change perfectly. It doesn't matter a damn. My point is, if there hadn't been such an outcry about Han, this would not have happened. It IS simple appeasment. GL hasn't changed his mind at all about what the real films are; he has simply been persuaded that releasing them is a worthwhile thing to do. And why? Because there has been a sustained fan campaign based entirely around Greedo shooting first.
I cannot think of one single reason why they would lie about the print quality being worse. Trying to deny that now is silly. The '93' comment would refer to the last release before the Special Edition, which means it is before the print was cleaned up.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I cannot think of one single reason why they would lie about the print quality being worse. Trying to deny that now is silly. The '93' comment would refer to the last release before the Special Edition, which means it is before the print was cleaned up.
Actually, the original prints were transferred to HD in the 90's to facilitate the SEs, which entailed a lot of digital restoration, meaning Lucasfilm can either use the HD transfer, or return to an interpositive made during the '93 restorations. They have an excellent set of prints of the movie, one that rivals the ones we saw 2 years ago.
Kind of sad when fans know more about the state of the original releases than his own PR yesmen.
Originally posted by BackFire
I think that's what Lucas see's them as, just a way to make more money off of his fans. Nothing against the fans, I understand why they want these films out, but anyone who bought the other trilogy on DVD and is still going to now buy this version is just giving the man what he wants. He wanted to trick people into buying the other trilogy using the "the old versions don't exist" as their excuse. Now that everyone has the new versions, he's trying to cash in and get all of his hardcore fans to now buy this trilogy set as well. I think it's just a real shitty thing he's doing, and I'm very glad I don't give a shit about the original versions, I'm perfectly happy with the set I have now. It's my opinion that the people who are buying this set after buying the other set ARE mindless drones just sucking up every Star Wars release there is. However, the people who held out and didn't buy the other set did a smart thing if they care, and I'm glad they're now going to get the versions they love.
If I known that he was going to pull this little trick I wouldn't have bought that set from two years ago. As much as I hate to spend another dime on the SW franchise....I'm gonna have to do it for this set. The original Star Wars is among my top ten favorite films. It's a must have for me. The money I could have spend it on Episode II, and III (which I didn't even bother buying the DVD) will be spent on this new DVD set. Add to that the money I'm going to get from Gamestop when I sell them the box set from 2 years ago. I might lose a few dollars in the process but in the end I getting what I want....finally.
Originally posted by Wolfie
I didn't care for the argument between Han and Jabba in A New Hope much either.
Neither did I...is just there for nothing. Didn't change the story nor did it make it more interesting. It was just a pointless scene.