Shimrra Jamaane vs DE Sidious

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I can see it falling to a melee battle, which Shimrra would win. DE Luke was able to defeat DE Sidious with a lightsaber I believe. Shimrra was able to get a nearly fatal hit on NJO Luke in melee combat. That's a big difference.

In fairness, Luke was physically exhausted due to the massive battles prior

I'd give it to the overlord.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
In fairness, Luke was physically exhausted due to the massive battles prior

Still, Luke was FAR more powerful at this time then he was in DE. I think Luke's power increase would well account for his prior fighting. Remember that Luke only won by luck. If Anakin's lightsaber hadn't been there he probably would have been killed.

If Anakin's lightsaber wasn't there, he wouldn't have been bitten by the amphistaff in the first place.

Whats the name of the book where Luke and Shimrra engage in a duel.

The Unifying Force ,final book in the NJO series too.

Duh! of course. bangin

Shimmy wins.

Originally posted by Faunus
If Anakin's lightsaber wasn't there, he wouldn't have been bitten by the amphistaff in the first place.

He was already at that point in the fight getting his ass beat pretty hard. We dont know how much longer he could take it.

A Force storm is MADE by the darkside, but it rips the fabric of space. Its not a "straight up" Force attack like lighting, or a force push. Its an effect of the Will and Anger of Palpatine, its not actually the force. It would be analogous to striking a piece of glass with something, cracking it, then that crack makes the glass shatter after the initial strike. So more or less Palpatine breaks the fabric of space with the darkside, then sits back and watches the effects. And since I don't think Vong are immune to a tear in spacetime. (I'm pretty sure nothing is lol) If Sids can create a storm, then he wins this.

Is his force storm similar to a black hole?

No, a black hole is a singularity in spacetime. A Black hole is a concentration of mass great enough that the force of gravity prevents anything past its event horizon from escaping it. The gravitational field is so strong that the escape velocity past its event horizon exceeds the speed of light. This implies that nothing, not even light, inside the event horizon can escape its gravity. So in basic terms, they "suck everything up". Palpatine on the other hand literally "tears" spacetime with his Force Storm. Its an actual rip in spacetime itself, its completely different then a black hole. Everything exists in spacetime (including the Vong) its usually given by the coordinates x,y,z,t where x, y and z are your actual physical coordinates and t is the time in which the event is taking place. Palpatine somehow destroys the nature of space with his darkside energies, thats how he creates a Force storm. In actuality, if something was caught in such a tear then it should cease to exist because everything must exist in space, and if there is no space (like the Force Storm does to space) then things cannot exist inside it.

Nothing can exists inside a black hole either, right? Nothing real at least.

Well, actually what happens is the matter that made up whatever gets sucked in adds to the size of the black hole. So it exists, just not in the way it used to.

AH, but what about the gravitational singularity, isn't it a point of infinite space-time curvature? I believe it exists in the center of a black-hole. Wouldent that infinite curve be similar to tearing space-time?

No not really. See even black holes exist in spacetime. If spacetime was "torn" in the same spot as a black hole, even the black hole would cease to exist. Even though the spacetime curvature is infinite, its still there. There can be no spacetime curvature if there is no spacetime. There could be no mass if there was no spacetime. EVERYTHING must exist in spacetime, otherwise it doesn't exist in the universe.

Then, it would not make sense for Palpatine to be able to create something that does not exist in spacetime. How does someone who exists, create something unreal?

With the darkside.... 😐

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Anyway, the vong were able to create artificial black-holes, so they might have some kind of defense against the force storm. Palpatine uses the force storm as a last resort.

Thats impossible to tell, if they have a defense against something they have never seen before. Unless the Vong (individually, like each separate Vong) has the ability to phase outta the universe, then they wont be surviving a Force storm anytime soon.