Actually, vader did save the galaxy. the emporer had his entire fleet under his control through the force, which is why they had been coordinating with eachother so well. but once vader tossed him, that control was no longer there, sending everyone into a temporary chaotic state, and allowing lando and wedge to destroy the deathstar. thats why the rebels were getting jacked up in the beginning of the battle
besides, the first deathstar was detroyed, but the galaxy wasn't saved. why not? because the emporer still lived. vader is the one that killed the emporer, and thereby saved his son and the galaxy. the rebels just detroyed a big machine that could kill planets like they did last time. and they do this a number of other times almost making it a daily routine in the books, the sun crusher, centerpoint, the prototype deathstar, the droids full of explosives...the list goes on.
anyways, the empire collapses because the emporer died. and vader is the one who killed him
That is purely supposition, not fact. What we have in the film is that the Death Star was destroyed by the Rebels regardless of the Emperor's plan. Nothing in the film indicates that the Emperor was aiding his forces in any way at all. The books aren't canon and are to be discounted. And the first Death Star example is irrelevent because the Emperor was not ON that one.
The Emperor would have died in any case.
what difference does it make if the emporer was on the deathstar or not?
Galaxy was already saved by the Rebels- Death Star was doomed.
you made it clear that the death star was destroyed, thereby making the rebelion victorious - having no connection to whether the emporer was aboard the death star or not.
the first death star was also destroyed, but that did not make the rebelion victorious.
the only difference between the two situations, the destruction of the first and the destruction of the 2nd is that the emporer died minutes before the 2nd was destroyed.
HAHA, i just realized, we went from talking about how windu is gonna die, to what made the rebelion victorious in the matter of only 4 posts....hehe...good times...
Yes, but it simply cannot be denied that the events in ROTJ mess this up. It is an error of the film. Some clear connection should have been made on film to show why Luke had to kill Palpatine to make a difference. There was not, and this was probably because of the very late decision to put Palpatine ON the Death Star- Luke originally confronted him on the Imperial Capital World, which would have made far more sense as far as restoring the Balance was concerned as The Emperor would ot have died anyway.
But they did not do that, they moved him to the Death Star, he WOULD have died anyway, and the whole thing was left rather limp.
People can try and make up any number of reasons as to why the Emperor had to die at Vader's hands but it is all supposition; it should have been clear on film.
The emporer had to die at the hands of vader because it was prophesized.
1) Mon Mothma was not pressing the urgency of the attack because the emporer was aboard the death star, she was doing so because she did not want a second, much larger much more powerful death star.
2) It was luke and luke alone that knew the emporer and his father were aboard the second death star
3) the emporer was on the second death star because he knew of the rebel plans to attempt to destory it, which is why he send his best units down to endor to protect the shielding
He was there to see the end of the rebelion. this is why he let luke, han, and leia down to endor, to lay the trap to lure the entire rebel fleet into the system.
showing that he did have control over his fleet. he was there to over see the entire operation and to make sure it ran smoothly. "the entire operation" consisted of him luring the rebel fleet and then crushing it, showing that he had to have full control over his own fleet.
in addition to that, he foresaw luke meeting with vader and wanted to be there to have luke turn into his apprentice and kill vader.
the one thing he did not foresee is luke bringing out the good in his father, anakin. which is why he was taken by surprise and killed. i'm sure if he had forseen it, he would have done something about it. force lightninged vader? maybe, unless vader wasn't MUCH to his inferior
what you're suggesting in your last post is that Lucas made a mistake in return of the jedi. i'm sure if he had done that, he would have definetely altered the scrip in TPM to ensure that there wouldn't be any discrepencies.
Now, just out of curiosity, how do you know that emporere was orginally supposed be at the imperial capital world? that and many of your other facts that you know to support your arguments. where do you get these facts from? i'm just curious