Wonder woman does not have a speed advantage. All of Champ's physical stats including speed/reaction time are in the "limitless" category. For the record, Champ has no limit to his speed, strength, or stamina. Champ is powered by the power primordial and can fight indefinitely without tiring and does not need sleep, food, or air His durability is so high that only attacks on the molecular level would do any significant damage. He *should* also be a much, much better fighter, having mastered every fighting style that exists in the marvel universe over millions of years.
Problem is, he's almost never written this way and jobs to EVERYONE under the sun. Classic case of performance not matching up to his stats.
Originally posted by who?-kid
She-Hulk kicked Champions ass. Wonder Woman > She-Hulk.
That's part of the problem with Champ. Writers routinely ignore his stated abilities and he tends to job where he shouldnt., especially in a humor comic where Gladiator was tricked into fighting by someone "insulting his haircut" and Surfer losing at ALL, especially when he's beaten champ within an inch of his life on several occasions before.
For forum battles, everyone fights to the best of their abilites regardless of any PIS. At full potential, Champ is stronger, as fast, more durable, and a hell of a lot more skilled than wonderwoman is.
No, but he did allow Thing to break one of his ribs
Again, part of the problem. Champ can survive blowing up a planet and falling from orbit, but a punch from thing cracks a rib?
Champion doesn't claim he's a top fighter, Marvel does via their handbooks. Per Marvel, Champion has been competing for millennia throughout the galaxy before being defeated. I think that puts him just a hair above wonder woman in battle experience.
As for feats, Champ has busted a planet TWICE, with and without the gem and it's arguable it did anything for him anyway since per marvel his strength was infinite before he got it.
And I hate to beat a horse to death, but enough with the "class 100" thing. Anyone with strength levels from 100 tons to a billion tons is "class 100." Hulk is Class 100. Thanos is Class 100. Galactus is Class 100. The living Tribunal is Class 100. If Wonder Woman was in 616, She'd be Class 100, too.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
And I hate to beat a horse to death, but enough with the "class 100" thing. Anyone with strength levels from 100 tons to a billion tons is "class 100." Hulk is Class 100. Thanos is Class 100. Galactus is Class 100. The living Tribunal is Class 100. If Wonder Woman was in 616, She'd be Class 100, too.
And I know what Class 100 means : being able to lift much more than 100 tons. That's pretty obvious.
It isn't the best system there is, but it's better than nothing. Wonder Woman still wins though.
Originally posted by who?-kid
To be honest, I don't know for sure if he's really Class 100, but I would be surprised if he wasn't.And I know what Class 100 means : being able to lift much more than 100 tons. That's pretty obvious.
It isn't the best system there is, but it's better than nothing. Wonder Woman still wins though.
I'd say it's worse than nothing, since lumping Colossus and Tyrant into the same strength class is more than a little confusing. doing away with "class" altogether and just going via feats like DC does is the better option.
Rather than simply saying "wonder woman will win" and being done with it- why not propose a situation and tactics where she would win? Would she use speedblitz? raw strength? fighting skill?
I don't see an area where Champ doesn't meet or exceed her abilities, and he definitely has the edge in endurance. Can wonder woman keep up a fight for weeks, months, years, or decades without eating or sleeping or resting to heal? Because Champ definitely can.
Originally posted by Darth Kal-El
Wait how come some people i heard on the forums say Champion has lousy fighting abilities such as when he was fighting THanos but others say he is a superb h2h fighter and knows many fighting skills.
Because much like precrisis superman, Champion is VERY inconsistent when it comes to his showings. Thanos didn't outfight him though- He tricked Champ into Blowing the planet apart then threatened to strand him in space unless he gave up the Gem.
Originally posted by Darth Kal-El
Wait how come some people i heard on the forums say Champion has lousy fighting abilities such as when he was fighting THanos but others say he is a superb h2h fighter and knows many fighting skills.
Just my humble opinion of course.
Originally posted by who?-kidSome people on the forums claim he has great h2h skills. However Thanos toyed with him as if he's a rag doll.
That's the thing. When you look at his fights, you see a brawler, not this cunning martial artist you'd expect. That's why I don't take him seriously.Just my humble opinion of course.
Originally posted by Darth Kal-El
Some people on the forums claim he has great h2h skills. However Thanos toyed with him as if he's a rag doll.
It's not the people on the forums, marvel themselves claimed that Champ has mastered all known forms of combat over thousands of years. Since all he's done since the beginning of time (he is one of the oldest beings alive in 616) is fight from planet to planet without incurring a loss, this only makes sense.
The problem is writers choose to ignore this when writing stories that involve him. Thanos didn't beat him in H2H, by the way. He tricked Champ into defeating himself.