Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Even so, you have to use the GCP (General Character Prowess) because Superman's power varies depending on the writer.Here is the generally excepted view of Superman, Superman has to accelerate to reach great speeds, he can't withstand a nuke, but not a planet destroying explosion, he can fly at up to light speed, he can lift 1,000 tons, his laser vision can melt through all metals, he can hold his breathe far hours, and he can see through anything but led.
Why is this generally accepted? Because you say so? His performances in the last 10 years have been way above that. It seems more like you're talking about the Byrne era (1986-early 90s) Superman.
In DOTNG just recently he was in the middle of Apokolips and New Genesis smashing together (right after he had been beaten up by Darkseid) and he was completely fine.
Anyway, I might as well chip in with Superman's level of power:
- He can easily move/affect moons and smaller planetary bodies with his physical strength, and can affect planets and much larger stellar objects with extreme effort
-He can take attacks that can destroy earth-size planets easily, attacks that destroy larger planets or stars/star systems can hurt him a bit, anything more than that and he could get seriously injured. Of course he can be hurt by various "special" attacks that work on other principles than brute force, but he's also immune/resistant to many of those kinds of attacks.
-He can fly faster than light (much faster, in some cases), but generally doesn't do so in the Earth's atmosphere because of the collateral damage it would cause.
-His heat vision is hotter than the core of the sun and can damage incredibly durable materials and characters, it can also be expanded or focused highly, and is very accurate even from interplanetary ranges. I don't think it can destroy a planet (at least an earth-size one) in a single shot, though.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Why is this generally accepted? Because you say so? His performances in the last 10 years have been way above that. It seems more like you're talking about the Byrne era (1986-early 90s) Superman.In DOTNG just recently he was in the middle of Apokolips and New Genesis smashing together (right after he had been beaten up by Darkseid) and he was completely fine.
Anyway, I might as well chip in with Superman's level of power:
- He can easily move/affect moons and smaller planetary bodies with his physical strength, and can affect planets and much larger stellar objects with extreme effort
-He can take attacks that can destroy earth-size planets easily, attacks that destroy larger planets or stars/star systems can hurt him a bit, anything more than that and he could get seriously injured. Of course he can be hurt by various "special" attacks that work on other principles than brute force, but he's also immune/resistant to many of those kinds of attacks.
-He can fly faster than light (much faster, in some cases), but generally doesn't do so in the Earth's atmosphere because of the collateral damage it would cause.
-His heat vision is hotter than the core of the sun and can damage incredibly durable materials and characters, it can also be expanded or focused highly, and is very accurate even from interplanetary ranges. I don't think it can destroy a planet (at least an earth-size one) in a single shot, though.
The only way I know Superman could destroy a planet is if he pushed it into another planet or a sun.
Goku can destroy a planet with EASE.
Superman couldn't kill Kid Boo, no sir, Goku can!
Answer this, whats Superman's greatest durability feat, please, do tell!
Superman can't survive as much as Kid Boo.
Originally posted by Combat_Guru
The only way I know Superman could destroy a planet is if he pushed it into another planet or a sun.
Or just smashed it to pieces - which he has threatened to do many times and demonstrated enough power to do all the time.
Goku can destroy a planet with EASE.
Yet he never has....
Superman couldn't kill Kid Boo, no sir, Goku can!
Sure he could - disintegrate him with HV, freeze him and throw him into a star or black hole, or just beat him down until he runs out of energy. And Goku needed help from Vegeta, Porunga, Mr. Satan, and everyone on earth to win.
Answer this, whats Superman's greatest durability feat, please, do tell!
In continuity and operating at normal levels (unamped), probably the Mageddon feat.
Superman can't survive as much as Kid Boo.
Funny, I remember him getting blown to dust just by being near an exploding planet.... and being killed by an attack that left a small crater in the ground (of course the genki dama isn't a conventional attack so it can't really be quantified), which makes Kid Buu's greatest durability feat taking the explosion of earth nearby.
Certainly no match to being inside of an exploding planet, or in the middle of a collision between two huge planets, or take a sun-eater explosion point-blank which is equal to over 50 supernovae, or absorbing enough harmful energy to destroy half of a galaxy....
Yet he never has....
Why would Goku destroy a planet??????????? He's a good guy!!!!!
Sure he could - disintegrate him with HV, freeze him and throw him into a star or black hole, or just beat him down until he runs out of energy. And Goku needed help from Vegeta, Porunga, Mr. Satan, and everyone on earth to win.
The most damage Boo being surrounded by heat exceding white heat temperatures could do is vaporize most of his cells after a couple of hours, leaving some mist, vapor, or some essence of his matter, which he can reform from. And Boo's attack was hotter than white heat temperatures because it vaporized Earth.
In continuity and operating at normal levels (unamped), probably the Mageddon feat.
Which Boo could survive by reforming his essence.
Funny, I remember him getting blown to dust just by being near an exploding planet.... and being killed by an attack that left a small crater in the ground (of course the genki dama isn't a conventional attack so it can't really be quantified), which makes Kid Buu's greatest durability feat taking the explosion of earth nearby.
The Earth didn't explode, it was vaporized, and Boo's attack exploded right under his feet.
Certainly no match to being inside of an exploding planet, or in the middle of a collision between two huge planets, or take a sun-eater explosion point-blank which is equal to over 50 supernovae, or absorbing enough harmful energy to destroy half of a galaxy....
Sure it is. And that wasn't the limit to what he could withstand.
Goku SSJ3's Super Kameha was above Solar System destroying.
And what makes you think the sun eater is equal to 50 Supernovae???????
the sun doesn't producer nearly enough energy to generate a bio aura strong enough to help him survive that.
And Superman can't absorb Chi like he could the Mageddon.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Wtf makes you think it would take White Heat to vaporize earth!?
Because an explsoion massive enough to vaporize Earth would be hotter than white heat, the bigger the explosion, the hotter it's epicenter is, and it was pretty big, I mean to vaporize Earth from exploding on it's surface...
abslute crap jax. galactus is below the universal eternity and the phoenix force. he has been killed and replaced. NO character {not even the amalgam brothers} has EVER had omniversal power. any character can at best posess megaversal power. and galactus isnt even universal. majin dark schnieder for example wud kill him.
as for superman's base stats these days
speed, can accelerate to near lightspeed in less than a minute if enraged
has strength enough to destroy planets if really enraged, has destroyed moons in the past in rage
has durability enough to survive near planet shattering force
has heat vision hotter than the core of supernovae
vtorquism stops any mental attacks and can battle ethereal beings in v torque realm
has reflexes fast enough to perceive and counter near lightspeed changes and attack spreads
etc
these abilities go up when he is sundipped, specially strength and durability.
basically, super sayin 1 goku wud currently lose, while super sayin 2 goku wud kick his ass.
Originally posted by leonheartmmya know i find it hilarious, how before you say supes could take an infinite number of PBA's, yet you now OPENLY admit that he can be hurt by PBA's. talk about friggin hippocrites
abslute crap jax. galactus is below the universal eternity and the phoenix force. he has been killed and replaced. NO character {not even the amalgam brothers} has EVER had omniversal power. any character can at best posess megaversal power. and galactus isnt even universal. majin dark schnieder for example wud kill him.as for superman's base stats these days
speed, can accelerate to near lightspeed in less than a minute if enraged
has strength enough to destroy planets if really enraged, has destroyed moons in the past in rage
has durability enough to survive near planet shattering force
has heat vision hotter than the core of supernovae
vtorquism stops any mental attacks and can battle ethereal beings in v torque realm
has reflexes fast enough to perceive and counter near lightspeed changes and attack spreads
etcthese abilities go up when he is sundipped, specially strength and durability.
basically, super sayin 1 goku wud currently lose, while super sayin 2 goku wud kick his ass.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
NO i said that superman is INCONCISTANT. at one time he cant even take one nuke, while at other times he can take galaxy destroying blasts. its just the way hes writter. nuthin hypocritical about it.
So the question is, why do people pick and chose which of comic Superman's feats to use?
When they could use a consistant version like Movie Superman.
Originally posted by Combat_Guru
So the question is, why do people pick and chose which of comic Superman's feats to use?When they could use a consistant version like Movie Superman.
movei superman is not cannon. and his feats are also wierd. like reversing time, while still struggling with planes at times. basically supes supporters pick the high end feats while supes haters pick the low end feats.
Originally posted by superchronfor the last time ISLAND. itwould have GROWN into a continent but it was an island when he lifted it. talk about inconsistant. he gets the shit kicked outta him by some normal guy, on an island made of stuff that weakens him. but then he recharges, but doesnt get more powerful than he was, and proceeds to lift up the island being in even closer proximity to kryptonite than he was before. crystals were forming NEXT TO HIM!!!!!
Movie Superman=Consistant? Uhhhhhh no.Movie Superman lifted a continent and struggled with a bus=Fail arguement
Originally posted by leonheartmmsame could be said for supes supporters about dbz.
movei superman is not cannon. and his feats are also wierd. like reversing time, while still struggling with planes at times. basically supes supporters pick the high end feats while supes haters pick the low end feats.
Originally posted by superchron
Well no crap, DBZ supporters keep changing the argument to try to get there favorite characters to win. The fact is at the most basic level and average showings, Supes dominates DBZ characters.The Soloman Grundy scans shown earlier are of a beginner Superman who was far weaker than current one
There are no low end feats in DBZ, the DBZ characters get stronger the more they train.
And in DBZ, there aren't deferent versions, or deferent writers...