Magma vs Storm

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Speculation. On top of that said strategy involves death for them both. Therefore it is not a win for Magma.

I never said it was a win, it just means that Magma holds all the cards. And it's not speculation, anyone with the ability to survive in magma, and to manipulate magma on a low level should be able to do travel to the Earths core and make it unstable.

Random undirected attacks can be easily avoided considering her flight speed and her atmospheric powers which she could use to protect herself by the time any projectiles reach her. Not a good strategy and not one thats solid enough to give Magma a majority. Far from it.

Storm is just going to keep avoiding attacks? How does she expect to retaliate? She'll wear herself out, eventually.

Magma hasnt demonstrated range enough for you to convince anyone that she'll be able to hit Storm when Storms flying at over 400mph and can easily fight from the upper atmosphere if she desires. Please remember that Magma doesnt have prep time so she wont be starting off underground. Soon as the battle starts, one lightning bolt and its all over.

See above, Storm will wear out.
BTW Like I said it works both ways, they both start on the ground. Storm doesn't think at the speed of light therefore she still has to think to launch her lightning attack. So does Magma. So if it comes down to who hits who first then I'm still going to go with Magma as her power will do more damage.

So the only fair way to judge this is if the attacks hit each other at the same time.

Storm Attack
1.)Speed of thought
2.)Speed of Light

Magma
1.)Speed of thought
2.)Speed of whatever

The speed of thought occurs at the same time, but since
Speed of Light > Speed of Whatever

Storms attack will connect first, Magma gets hit by lightning. A moment later(Less then a second) Storm is engulfed by the ground, as Magma's attack was still initiated.

Assess the damage, Magma was shocked, Storm was engulfed. Magma can recover from her injury, Storm would be dead.

Magma should win.

I cant remember what youre talking about. Honestly, i cant even remember participating in that thread lol.

Remember that Phoenix Fragment thing?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I never said it was a win, it just means that Magma holds all the cards. And it's not speculation, anyone with the ability to survive in magma, and to manipulate magma on a low level should be able to do travel to the Earths core and make it unstable.

Speculation and regardless of that it is not a viable strategy as it would result in Magmas death as well even if she could do it.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Storm is just going to keep avoiding attacks? How does she expect to retaliate? She'll wear herself out, eventually.

Storm could quite happily hover from the upper atmosphere and attack. She would be well beyond Magmas range. Prove that Magmas projectiles have such range (cos ive never seen that from her) and you will have made your point, until such times Storm can quite easily avoid Magmas attacks.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
See above, Storm will wear out.

Not by hovering out of range. Prove Magmas range.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
BTW Like I said it works both ways, they both start on the ground. Storm doesn't think at the speed of light therefore she still has to think to launch her lightning attack. So does Magma. So if it comes down to who hits who first then I'm still going to go with Magma as her power will do more damage.

Lightning bolts can kill a person of human durability. Storms attack will hit first and Magma would die.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So the only fair way to judge this is if the attacks hit each other at the same time.

Storm Attack
1.)Speed of thought
2.)Speed of Light

Magma
1.)Speed of thought
2.)Speed of whatever

The speed of thought occurs at the same time, but since
Speed of Light > Speed of Whatever

Storms attack will connect first, Magma gets hit by lightning. A moment later(Less then a second) Storm is englufed by the ground, as Magma's attack was still initiated.

Assess the damage, Magma was shocked, Storm was engulfed. Magma can recover from her injury, Storm would be dead.

Magma should win.

Magmas attacks are the result of psionic manipulation. You admit that Storm would hit first. Magma has human durability, she would die or be knocked out depending on the intensity of Storms lightning. The moment that happens Magmas attack would cease as it is brought on by psionic manipulation of matter, it requires conscious direction. If you need me to post her bio i will do so gladly.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Remember that Phoenix Fragment thing?

Nope. Sorry lol.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]Speculation and regardless of that it is not a viable strategy as it would result in Magmas death as well even if she could do it.

Like I said it's not Speculation, it's possible given the nature of her powers. Meaning if worst comes to worst it will end up in a stalemate.

Storm could quite happily hover from the upper atmosphere and attack. She would be well beyond Magmas range. Prove that Magmas projectiles have such range (cos ive never seen that from her) and you will have made your point, until such times Storm can quite easily avoid Magmas attacks.

Magma could just raise the ground level and create a volcano, from there she should be able to reach Storm. Through fissures in the ground Magma will be able to keep watch on Storms whereabouts.

She may not have created this Volcano, but she can raise the ground to make one, meaning it's range can eventually reach the upper atmosphere.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5245/volcano4mu.jpg
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Not by hovering out of range. Prove Magmas range.

See above for range. So what Storms going to hide in the sky while Magma hides underground. Stalemate or win for Magma if she raises the ground.(As Cool Magma = Land)

Lightning bolts can kill a person of human durability. Storms attack will hit first and Magma would die.

The word is can, it doesn't always. Especially Storms. Emma Frost has been hit and she wasn't in her diamond form.

Magmas attacks are the result of psionic manipulation. You admit that Storm would hit first. Magma has human durability, she would die or be knocked out depending on the intensity of Storms lightning. The moment that happens Magmas attack would cease as it is brought on by psionic manipulation of matter, it requires conscious direction. If you need me to post her bio i will do so gladly.

Storms powers also depends on psionic manipulation, therefore both of them will be at the same point in stage one. Stage two is where the attack connects, this is after the attack is planned and directed. Therefore both attacks will occur. Storms attack should connect first.
Stage two is like the second stage of telepathy, in stage two the thinking is done.

Nope. Sorry lol

There you go:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=403014&highlight=vulcan

wow u guys really talk this out...but still Storm

but magma has an almost equal chance

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
What does teaching someone have anything to do with it? You're argument makes no sense....Magma is more powerful, but I believe Storm wins.

wow...i thought everyone would get this. storm taught magma, which means she knows the limitations and the ins and outs of her powers. giving her an ultimate edge.

also, has everyone forgotten about storms force-fields? she can conjure up pressure fields and electric force-fields as well. anyway...storms attack hits first. storm can have the lightning take her out if she wanted to or not. also, exoduscloak, the bolt didn't take out emma because that wasn't storms goal...if storm wanted to take out someone with human durability, then she could. just think about it, everything goes in storms favor from experience, to overall raw power . and literally, flash-freezing the ground would make it harder to manipulate, and would slow down lava(yes, true fact). and magma even had a little stouble with blob.

Originally posted by stormfront13
wow...i thought everyone would get this. storm taught magma, which means she knows the limitations and the ins and outs of her powers. giving her an ultimate edge.

also, has everyone forgotten about storms force-fields? she can conjure up pressure fields and electric force-fields as well. anyway...storms attack hits first. storm can have the lightning take her out if she wanted to or not. also, exoduscloak, the bolt didn't take out emma because that wasn't storms goal...if storm wanted to take out someone with human durability, then she could. just think about it, everything goes in storms favor from experience, to overall raw power . and literally, flash-freezing the ground would make it harder to manipulate, and would slow down lava(yes, true fact). and magma even had a little stouble with blob.

Storm can't keep her shields up forever, she'll eventually get hit. And you can't expect her just to sit back and defend, she has to retaliate to win.
A blood thirsty Storm hit Emma with a lightning bolt, when the White Queen switched bodies with her. Storm didn't even knock her out. And it wasn't self restraint that stopped her it was Wolverine. I believe her exact weirds were "You will pay for that in blood". Storms goal was to kill Emma she said it herself. Also there are a majority of people in real life who survive when they are hit by lightning bolts it's not that suprising that Emma survived.
Storms attack may hit first but it doesn't mean Magmas doesn't, both of their powers work through psionic manipulation, therefore they'd both be at stage two(See previous post above). In stage two lightning will strike first, but much less then a second later the ground will open up and Storm will be devoured.
And how is freezing the ground going to inhibit Magmas manipulation, the amount frozen is just out of proportion when compared to the amount of magma that's in the Earth. Plus Magma can still manipulate the frozen magma.

Current Magma is psycho scary:
Remember both start on the ground.
This is how Storm will most probably end up.
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1365182/0/nouser_1365/T0_-1_1365182.jpg
(Can't get imageshack to work)

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[B]Storm can't keep her shields up forever, she'll eventually get hit. And you can't expect her just to sit back and defend, she has to retaliate to win./B]

how do you figure she'll get hit? magma doesn't even know if storm is even close to the battlefield, and her powers sure as well won't make it to the clouds which storm can just hover in. and magma isn't doing much more than defending herself either here. she's hiding inside the earth and blindly shooting up rocks which won't reach her target, she'll come up eventually.

A blood thirsty Storm hit Emma with a lightning bolt, when the White Queen switched bodies with her. Storm didn't even knock her out. And it wasn't self restraint that stopped her it was Wolverine. I believe her exact weirds were "You will pay for that in blood". Storms goal was to kill Emma she said it herself.

do you have proof that the one bolt was meant to kill emma? or if she was even going to use lightning to kill her? remember, storm is very formidable up front and has killed with her bare hands even before being an x-man. your also forgetting that storm had just come back in with her powers, and was completely off-balance with the earth. this is also bad writing considering that one bolt almost killed sebastion shaw and he can absorb electricity.

Also there are a majority of people in real life who survive when they are hit by lightning bolts it's not that suprising that Emma survived.

yes, people do survive, but aren't ever the same after that. and no, a majority of people die when they are struck by lightning, the lucky ones survive. and your also forgetting that getting hit by lightning in the real world is an unfortunate accident and that the ligthning isn't literally attacking you or trying to kill you like it would be in this case. storms lightning would be focused on magma.

Storms attack may hit first but it doesn't mean Magmas doesn't, both of their powers work through psionic manipulation, therefore they'd both be at stage two(See previous post above). In stage two lightning will strike first, but much less then a second later the ground will open up and Storm will be devoured.

you do realize that storm can multi-task right? she'd easily be able to summon a lightning shield and a lightning bolt at the exact same time. don't forget that lightning moves at 60,000 miles per second, so to get a shield up wouldn't even take half a second. and it would only take one second for the lightning to hit magma, and with not enough time to flame up she gets taken out with her human durability.

And how is freezing the ground going to inhibit Magmas manipulation, the amount frozen is just out of proportion when compared to the amount of magma that's in the Earth. Plus Magma can still manipulate the frozen magma.

frozen earth would be harder to manipulate. i don't ever recall magma being able to manipulate ice, so it would slow the process down. also, lightning would melt or destroy rocks before they even reached storm, and added pressure on the rocks or the earth would protect her as well.

think about it. everything is in storms favor
1)expierence-storm
2)raw power-storm
3) versatility-storm
4)fighting ability-storm
5)tactical ability-storm
6)tactical expierence-storm

and on top of all this, storm taught magma, so she knows the ins and outs of her powers.

Originally posted by stormfront13
how do you figure she'll get hit? magma doesn't even know if storm is even close to the battlefield, and her powers sure as well won't make it to the clouds which storm can just hover in. and magma isn't doing much more than defending herself either here. she's hiding inside the earth and blindly shooting up rocks which won't reach her target, she'll come up eventually.

Umm...Magma = Land, Create a mound of land ie a Volcano and yes, Amaras attacks will be able to reach the atmosphere. Like I said before Storm will get hit, eventually, there's no where to run.

do you have proof that the one bolt was meant to kill emma? or if she was even going to use lightning to kill her? remember, storm is very formidable up front and has killed with her bare hands even before being an x-man. your also forgetting that storm had just come back in with her powers, and was completely off-balance with the earth. this is also bad writing considering that one bolt almost killed sebastion shaw and he can absorb electricity.

Storm was out for blood, she had to be stopped by Wolverine. It didn't even knock Emma out. :L And you're blaming it on bad writing, I could say the same thing about their recent fight.(Written by the same writer, Chris Claremont who practically adores Storm) Emma's Mind Blast should have rendered Ororo useless in their most recent fight.
Storm seemed well able to use her powers, when she recieved her body back. I don't think that speculative argument works.

BTW The word their is almost. Also tell me which comic this happened in, there had to have been an alterior plot device. Sebastion Shaw should be able to take Storms electricity.

There you go:
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http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3771/emma28ao.jpg

Sorry but, Storms lightning almost never kills.

yes, people do survive, but aren't ever the same after that. and no, a majority of people die when they are struck by lightning, the lucky ones survive. and your also forgetting that getting hit by lightning in the real world is an unfortunate accident and that the ligthning isn't literally attacking you or trying to kill you like it would be in this case. storms lightning would be focused on magma.

First of all the majority of people who recieve basic medical care ie CPR usually survive. Lightning is not a person, it's energy. Storms lightning is just energy. When someone is hit by lightning in the real world they're also hit by a focused beam. Focused or not, Magma will survive, just ask Emma Frost who wasn't even knocked out. :L

you do realize that storm can multi-task right? she'd easily be able to summon a lightning shield and a lightning bolt at the exact same time. don't forget that lightning moves at 60,000 miles per second, so to get a shield up wouldn't even take half a second. and it would only take one second for the lightning to hit magma, and with not enough time to flame up she gets taken out with her human durability.

Psionic Manipulation
Storm
Stage 1 Thinking, Speed of Thought
Stage 2 Lightning strikes at speed of light and as you said her shield comes up.

Magma
Stage 1 Thinking Speed of Thought
Stage 2 Ground opens up Storm ends up like:
http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/8060/magmapsycho9fd.jpg

Both control their powers by Psionic Manipulation. If Storm is doing two things, she has too think twice as much, Stage 1 will take longer, therefore Magma's attack will hit first. So no your shield won't work.

If Storm decides to do one thing then both her an Amara complete Stage 1 at the same time. Her lightning will hit first, but since Stage one is already done, Magma's attack will also happen, and less then a second later the ground devours Ororo.

frozen earth would be harder to manipulate. i don't ever recall magma being able to manipulate ice, so it would slow the process down. also, lightning would melt or destroy rocks before they even reached storm, and added pressure on the rocks or the earth would protect her as well.

Magma is able to manipulate Magma. Magneto can manipulate Frozen metal. There's no reason why Magma can't manipulate frozen Magma.(Unless you have proof that she can't) Again Storm can't keep it up forever. She's out in the open while Amara is concealed.

think about it. everything is in storms favor
1)expierence-storm
2)raw power-storm
3) versatility-storm
4)fighting ability-storm
5)tactical ability-storm
6)tactical expierence-storm

and on top of all this, storm taught magma, so she knows the ins and outs of her powers.

Raw Power is a matter of opinion.
Both of them start off on the Ground.(Advantage to Magma)
Storm is out in the open, Magma can reach her by raising the land. And is concealed by the land.(Another Advantage to Magma)
In the few milliseconds they have Magma will end up doing far more damage then Storm can do to Magma.(Advantage to Magma)