Originally posted by TheKahn
Something tells me that if the Sentinels were designed to hunt down and defeat mutants in battle then they should be able to take a concussion grenade without much trouble. Besides Batman wouldn't be familiar with the Sentinels design so he would not know any of their weak spots.Here is all I could find about the different types:
http://www.mutanthigh.com/tech/sentinels.html
Sentinels may have been designed to hunt mutants but they're no good at it. Almost every single mutant on the X-Men roster has taken down a sentinel with ease. You can't tell me that the Sentinels can survive concussion grenades if they can't even survive a Wolverine stabbing, a Dazzler sparkler, or an explosive card from Gambit.
Big Sexy, are you anti-DC? Just a question, cause I keep remembering your posts. You seem to dislike Batman (I mean really dislike him), Aquaman, Superman (the movie actually), and Flash.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Sentinels may have been designed to hunt mutants but they're no good at it. Almost every single mutant on the X-Men roster has taken down a sentinel with ease. You can't tell me that the Sentinels can survive concussion grenades if they can't even survive a Wolverine stabbing, a Dazzler sparkler, or an explosive card from Gambit.Big Sexy, are you anti-DC? Just a question, cause I keep remembering your posts. You seem to dislike Batman (I mean really dislike him), Aquaman, Superman (the movie actually), and Flash.
Hey i dislike the movie.....
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceDude, I love Batman. He is one of my favorite characters . I have many, MANY Batman comics . its just I look at some of these threads realistically. For all Batman has done, he is still a man. When I see people put him against Spiderman , Hulk etc
Sentinels may have been designed to hunt mutants but they're no good at it. Almost every single mutant on the X-Men roster has taken down a sentinel with ease. You can't tell me that the Sentinels can survive concussion grenades if they can't even survive a Wolverine stabbing, a Dazzler sparkler, or an explosive card from Gambit.Big Sexy, are you anti-DC? Just a question, cause I keep remembering your posts. You seem to dislike Batman (I mean really dislike him), Aquaman, Superman (the movie actually), and Flash.
and the only reason I dont mension movies like the Hulk, Electra, or the punisher is there not even worthy of mentioning. When have I spoken bad against Flash? All I said was he has a terrible rogues gallery and its true. Come on , an eskimo and a gorilla. This dude travels over the speed of light, you'd think he would have better villians,
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Sentinels may have been designed to hunt mutants but they're no good at it. Almost every single mutant on the X-Men roster has taken down a sentinel with ease. You can't tell me that the Sentinels can survive concussion grenades if they can't even survive a Wolverine stabbing, a Dazzler sparkler, or an explosive card from Gambit.Big Sexy, are you anti-DC? Just a question, cause I keep remembering your posts. You seem to dislike Batman (I mean really dislike him), Aquaman, Superman (the movie actually), and Flash.
That's because every member of the X-Men have spent hours upon hours learning and practicing exactly how to take down a Sentinel (ie learning where the vulnerable areas are and how to attack them) 😉. Makes sense as they do hunt mutants after all.
Notice in this picture that Wolverine knows exactly where on the Sentinel he needs to attack to stop it (its mainframe) and, apparently, Scott is familiar enough with that method for damaging a Sentinel that he realizes that this method would take too long for the given situation.
Batman, on the other hand, would have no such familiarity and he could very well waste what explosives he has in attacking either a well armored section or one that is unimportant. What I mean is that while weak points do exists Batman, unlike the X-Men who train constantly to be able to defeat the Sentinels, would not know where they are or how to best attack them.
Now give Bats some blue prints and a little time to study them and he'd at least have a shot but in a straight up fight with the level of familiarity that the "basic knowledge" clause of this forum allows, I can't possibly see how Batman could beat a Sentinel.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
I did not like the Punisher because he had no real conflict. With movies like Superman, X-men, and Spiderman the villian had the upper edge. It was like Frank has is family killed, so he wins without conflict.How bad was that scene when he fought the dude with the guitar or kevin nash.
I thought it was funny.
"What kind of dumb son of a ***** brings a knife to a gun fight"
*WHIP*
"Grugghghgh"
Originally posted by TheKahn
That's because [b]every member of the X-Men have spent hours upon hours learning and practicing exactly how to take down a Sentinel (ie learning where the vulnerable areas are and how to attack them) 😉. Makes sense as they do hunt mutants after all.Notice in this picture that Wolverine knows exactly where on the Sentinel he needs to attack to stop it (its mainframe) and, apparently, Scott is familiar enough with that method for damaging a Sentinel that he realizes that this method would take too long for the given situation.
Batman, on the other hand, would have no such familiarity and he could very well waste what explosives he has in attacking either a well armored section or one that is unimportant. What I mean is that while weak points do exists Batman, unlike the X-Men who train constantly to be able to defeat the Sentinels, would not know where they are or how to best attack them.
Now give Bats some blue prints and a little time to study them and he'd at least have a shot but in a straight up fight with the level of familiarity that the "basic knowledge" clause of this forum allows, I can't possibly see how Batman could beat a Sentinel. [/B]
Didn't you tell me that forum rules dictate that people in versus threads know a little bit about the other opponent? So that would mean all Bats has to do is analyze things with the computer in his cowl and his radiological clock and pinpoint all the schematics of the Sentinel with a single command? Hell, he's done stuff like that with his helmet interface before, and seeing as how he's such a genius, he'd probably figure out where to bop the Sentinel anyway. And your training thing is off, because people who haven't gone through training, like Jubilee and Spiderman have taken down Sentinels without knowing anything about them.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Didn't you tell me that forum rules dictate that people in versus threads know a little bit about the other opponent? So that would mean all Bats has to do is analyze things with the computer in his cowl and his radiological clock and pinpoint all the schematics of the Sentinel with a single command? Hell, he's done stuff like that with his helmet interface before, and seeing as how he's such a genius, he'd probably figure out where to bop the Sentinel anyway. And your training thing is off, because people who haven't gone through training, like Jubilee and Spiderman have taken down Sentinels without knowing anything about them.
Here is a link to the forum rules in case you haven't read them yourself yet.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html
To point, Batman would know what the average person in the Marvel universe knows about them which, I imagine, is little more than that they are giant robots that hunt mutants. Of course your theory depends on several factors all going in Batman's direction such as the Sentinel's have no shielding to protect them against such scanning, that Batman actually lives long enough to conduct such a scan and the subsequent attack which I find unlikely as he is facing a weapon designed to attack and kill beings with superpowers (ie super strength, speed, durability, ect) and he has only peak-human physical abilities, and finally that the explosives that Batman carries are powerful enough to even dent a Sentinel's armor.
Also Jubilee and Spiderman had both the advantages of superpowers and not fighting in an arena type environment.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Here is a link to the forum rules in case you haven't read them yourself yet.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.htmlTo point, Batman would know what the average person in the Marvel universe knows about them which, I imagine, is little more than that they are giant robots that hunt mutants. Of course your theory depends on several factors all going in Batman's direction such as the Sentinel's have no shielding to protect them against such scanning, that Batman actually lives long enough to conduct such a scan and the subsequent attack which I find unlikely as he is facing a weapon designed to attack and kill beings with superpowers (ie super strength, speed, durability, ect) and he has only peak-human physical abilities, and finally that the explosives that Batman carries are powerful enough to even dent a Sentinel's armor.
Also Jubilee and Spiderman had both the advantages of superpowers and not fighting in an arena type environment.
I know for fact that they have no such protection for scanning because Iron Man has done it and X-Men jets have done it. Batman will live long enough because Sentinels have lots of trouble dealing with mutants that are agile. They've always had trouble with people like Beast or Wolverine. In fact, the Sentinels in Ultimate X-Men completely suck, Beast, Storm, Iceman, Cyclops, and Colossus took Sentinels on in a seemingly 3 to 1 ratio. Bottom line, Sentinels aren't going to get someone like Batman. Those weapons you talk about are also very poorly designed because they have trouble hitting their targets. And of course explosives that Batman carry are powerful enough to dent it. I'm willing to bet those concussion grenades are a lot more powerful than some exploding cards.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
I know for fact that they have no such protection for scanning because Iron Man has done it and X-Men jets have done it.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Batman will live long enough because Sentinels have lots of trouble dealing with mutants that are agile. They've always had trouble with people like Beast or Wolverine.
Too bad Batman doesn't have superhuman agility like Beast or Wolverine. 🙁
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
In fact, the Sentinels in Ultimate X-Men completely suck, Beast, Storm, Iceman, Cyclops, and Colossus took Sentinels on in a seemingly 3 to 1 ratio.
This, from what I can tell from the thread-starter's post, is a 616 Sentinel so bringing up the Ultimate Sentinels is pointless as their feats do no apply.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Bottom line, Sentinels aren't going to get someone like Batman. Those weapons you talk about are also very poorly designed because they have trouble hitting their targets. And of course explosives that Batman carry are powerful enough to dent it. I'm willing to bet those concussion grenades are a lot more powerful than some exploding cards.
What is it about Batman that makes Batman invulnerable to all the Sentinel's attacks? They have hit or killed mutants who are/were faster, stronger, and more durable than Bruce Wayne. As for the exploding cards, I (iirc) Gambit has destroyed an entire building with a single card before. Their destructive ability depends on how much he charges them.
[QUOTE=6509564]Originally posted by TheKahn
Or that could mean that the X-Men and Iron Man know how to get though the shielding.
There's enough to reason that Sentinels have no such shielding, because they've never shown to have any.
Too bad Batman doesn't have superhuman agility like Beast or Wolverine. 🙁
You're right, but he's still fast. Fast enough not to get hit.
This, from what I can tell from the thread-starter's post, is a 616 Sentinel so bringing up the Ultimate Sentinels is pointless as their feats do no apply.
Okay, I was just saying that Sentinels aren't as great as you make them out to be in comparison to Batman.
What is it about Batman that makes Batman invulnerable to all the Sentinel's attacks? They have hit or killed mutants who are/were faster, stronger, and more durable than Bruce Wayne.
Sure they have, but more often than not, they've been taken out by people that are exactly or near Batman's level. How many mutants have been killed in comparison to the number of Sentinels destroyed? I'm sure you could say that Sentinels don't have a great winning streak.
As for the exploding cards, I (iirc) Gambit has destroyed an entire building with a single card before. Their destructive ability depends on how much he charges them.
Okay, I'll give you that; I underestimated the power of the cards. But still, the energy that Gambit put into those cards couldn't have been a lot because those explosions look miniscule and weak compared to that building explosion. I think the concussion grenades are just as strong if not stronger than those cards he uses to take out Sentinels.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
There's enough to reason that Sentinels have no such shielding, because they've never shown to have any.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
You're right, but he's still fast. Fast enough not to get hit.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Okay, I was just saying that Sentinels aren't as great as you make them out to be in comparison to Batman.
The Sentinel can easily fly out of Batman's range and take him out from a distance.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Sure they have, but more often than not, they've been taken out by people that are exactly or near Batman's level. How many mutants have been killed in comparison to the number of Sentinels destroyed? I'm sure you could say that Sentinels don't have a great winning streak.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilenceOkay, I'll give you that; I underestimated the power of the cards. But still, the energy that Gambit put into those cards couldn't have been a lot because those explosions look miniscule and weak compared to that building explosion. I think the concussion grenades are just as strong if not stronger than those cards he uses to take out Sentinels.
Remember that Gambit would have to limit the energy he puts into his cards when fighting with fellow X-Men as the resultant explosion could hurt them as well as the Sentinel. That being said a concussive grenade couldn't even punch through a thin plate of metal much less reinforced armor as it isn't an explosive. The "concussion" part of the grenade is just a sound wave of about 170-180 decibels that is meant to stun a human being. As Sentinels have taken Banshee's scream before, I doubt this is a great danger.
Now the Thermite Batman carries is explosive but given the impacts the Sentinel's armor has taken in the past, I highly doubt the few pounds (at most) Batman carries would be enough to damage it. And even if it was the Sentinel can easily fly into the air easily out of Batman's range.
