Well Communism is not that clearly defined. I think there were some different systems that claimed to be Communist. Most famous are the dictatorships though. But they had different forms of Republics as well.
So I guess something could be Communism and a Democracy...that would probably be the ideal even....
Originally posted by Eis
Well... if in a free presidential election the communist candidate wins. Wouldn't then the country technically be communist and democratic at the same time?
Its likely that if the leader has the ability to enforce his views, the government may become more communistic. However, if the government is not already a communism, it is unlikely that the government would completely reinvent itself so "communism" becomes the noun that best describes the government. Democratic nations don't usually do that.
In Eis' scenario, a communist leader won a presidential election. THerefore, it is logical to assume that this form of government has a leader, making it not a communism.
I don't think a direct democracy would have a president. Therefore we are likely dealing with some system with some form of representational democracy or a democratic government of some sort.
SInce there is already a larger government structure in place, it means that it is unlikely that the government would become a communism. Beuracracy is often wonderful but its really...r e a l l y . . . s l o w.
Originally posted by Alliance
In Eis' scenario, a communist leader won a presidential election. THerefore, it is logical to assume that this form of government has a leader, making it not a communism.I don't think a direct democracy would have a president. Therefore we are likely dealing with some system with some form of representational democracy or a democratic government of some sort.
SInce there is already a larger government structure in place, it means that it is unlikely that the government would become a communism. Beuracracy is often wonderful but its really...r e a l l y . . . s l o w.
That may be, but you said that a State can not be Communist and Democratic...while it can...
Originally posted by Alliance
No...I did not say that.the state can be a democratic communism, a communistic democracy, but not a communism and a democracy.
only one noun allowed.
A state can be a democratic form of communism.
Nah, you are wrong again. Two Nouns and more allowed. Cause they are not describing the same thing.
But at least you see that they are not exclusive.
accordin to the true definition of democracy it's decidin want u think will b best fr u,but in communism u don't hav a choice.still, in communism ppl did hav equal rites n get all the basic necessities of life at their door step. all r equal n every1 gets everythin.it was better in this sense that atleast every1 had equal rite n all the facilities.
Originally posted by maham
accordin to the true definition of democracy it's decidin want u think will b best fr u,but in communism u don't hav a choice.still, in communism ppl did hav equal rites n get all the basic necessities of life at their door step. all r equal n every1 gets everythin.it was better in this sense that atleast every1 had equal rite n all the facilities.
Dare I ask "what?"?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Don't argue with him, he knows everything.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, you are wrong again.
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Originally posted by Bardock42
Two Nouns and more allowed. Cause they are not describing the same thing.
No. All governments are described by one noun. If you think this is not the case, what are teh two different nouns describing then? clarify your position.
Originally posted by Alliance
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No. All governments are described by one noun. If you think this is not the case, what are teh two different nouns describing then? clarify your position.
Depends on what it is. Like the US for example is a Democracy and a Republic. Britain is a Democracy and a Monarchy. The Third Reich was Fascism which also happens to be a Dictatorship. East Germany used to be a Republic and a sort of Socialism also a kind of dictatorship.
CIA World Factbook:
"US: Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition"
"UK: constitutional monarchy"
OK? If you wanna make outrageous claims, back it up with fact, not your own opinion. Nations have one government that is, at its core, esentially described by one word. A government is not kind of this, and kind of that...its ONE thing. Describe things accurately, not generally. You can add clarifiers if you wish to more accurately describe a government.
ex: the United States is a Republic, but incredible more accurately a "Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition"
Okay...lets look at the CIA World Fact book...a there....Czech Republic.....what do they say it is "parliamentary democracy " ...wait a minute....isn't it a Republic? Strange.
No seriously...I happen to live in a Democracy. And a Republic...so that at least is bullshit. We might continue to argue about the US system...but The Federal Republic of Germany is in fact a Democracy and a Republic. TO nouns...no doubt about it...whatever your CIA says ....
Communism and Democracy have one main difference: one's a form of government while the other is an economic system. Communism is actually theoretical, in which the state's property is owned by the public as a whole and there is no upper or lower class ("A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members"😉 It is all outlined in "The Communist Manifesto", written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels (I have yet to read it). The communism we know today is actually just an attempt at this.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Depends on what it is. Like the US for example is a Democracy and a Republic. Britain is a Democracy and a Monarchy. The Third Reich was Fascism which also happens to be a Dictatorship. East Germany used to be a Republic and a sort of Socialism also a kind of dictatorship.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay...lets look at the CIA World Fact book...a there....Czech Republic.....what do they say it is "parliamentary democracy " ...wait a minute....isn't it a Republic? Strange.No seriously...I happen to live in a Democracy. And a Republic...so that at least is bullshit. We might continue to argue about the US system...but The Federal Republic of Germany is in fact a Democracy and a Republic. TO nouns...no doubt about it...whatever your CIA says ....
Definitions from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
It's not a democracy by Alliance's definition either, yet the factbook says it is.
That is because Alliance's position is self-contradictory and ludicrous.
There is absolutely no rule anywhere that says a Government can onlky be described with one noun. That is pure nonsense that Alliance is making up.
That makes you wrong as well, Kingdubya, because the US IS a Democracy. This continual confusion that Democracy has to mean direct rule by the people really is a simple revelation of ignorance, and any dictionary will set you straight. Representative Democracies are still Democracies. In the US, people elect their representaitves, who have political power. That meets the definition of the word 'Democracy'.
The simple demonstration of this 'a country can only be one thing' as complete and utter nonsense is this 'Constitutional Monarchy' thing. True, the UK is a Constitutional Monarchy. But those words on their own are totally inadequate in explaining the UK's government- the definition is not even close to accurate, it is actively vague. There could be a dozen different means by which that works, some of which would be in a Democracy, some of which would not.
So yes, we are a Constitutional Monarchy. But far more importantly, we are a Democracy. And once more, no amount of protest by the types of Alliance- caused by very narrow views indeed- can override the right of European countries to declare that they are democracies. Because they are.
And so yes, it is possible for a Communist country to be a Democracy also. It would very much depend on how the Communism was applied.
BTW, Kingdubya, what sovereign federation are you saying the Czech Republic belongs to?