Originally posted by supervenom
I believe he TRICKED Hulk in that one? Hulk didn't want to hit him and he caught Hulk off guard. PLUS, that was strength only, had nothing to do with defense if memory serves me correct.
...Wha?
He beat the snot out of Hulk. Hulk did eventually start fighting him for real, so you can't just say he was tricked the whole time. Juggy just stomped him is all.
The Incredible Hulk #404: The Hulk slaps his hands together and creates a shock wave that blows the Avengers back. The Juggernaut is just about to go into them more when the Red Skull radios him and tells him to give the Avengers an option to surrender and leave. The Juggernaut, against his better judgement, gives the Avengers the option but when they refuse, the Juggernaut orders the Hulk on them. The Hulk, in his mind, sees the Juggernaut as his father and the Avengers as different ages of Bruce Banner. They continue to fight the Avengers as a team until the Juggernaut tells the Hulk he is dong a great job. That praise jolts the Hulk's mind for a second. Then some of the remaining Avengers attack again and knock the Hulk down for a second. The Juggernaut gives his hand out to the Hulk and says that nothing can stop them if they stick together. The Hulk, his mind going back to when his father killed his mother, starts to crack a little bit. The Juggernaut just grabs the Hulk and throws him towards the Avengers. The Hulk, about to kill Crystal, hears the Juggernaut saying that he is the best. The Hulk, who is still seeing the Juggernaut as his father, finally cracks. The Hulk says that all those years, all he wanted was a little praise but all he gave was anger and being browbeat and now after all that time, he decides to give him praise. He punches the Juggernaut and hits his helmet off. The Hulk slowly starts to come out of it and knows that the Juggernaut is not his father and hits him. He screams to get out of his head. Mentallo tries to regain control but the Hulk rejects it and causes a massive psychic backlash that knocks everybody out, including the Juggernaut. The Avengers take the Juggernaut into custody.
1:1?
Originally posted by supervenom
I'm saying that each of them have a win over each other?
It wasn't really Hulk that defeated Juggy though. I mean, it was a psychic backlash, one not even produced from the Hulk.
That's like saying, for example: A laser bounces off a mirror into its desired target and destroys/beats the target. Now, would you say that the mirror defeated the target? No, not at all. It was the producer of the laser that wins.
Therefore, Hulk does not have that victory against Juggenaut.
You're referring to the gem of Cyttorak, which you'd have to find first before you could do anything about his power. And as I said, taking the armor off still won't make a difference, he'd might even take it off for you and it wouldn't matter. It's been discussed to death here, so anything you wanna know about Juggernaut can be found in this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15217&highlight=Hulk+vs+Juggernaut
Originally posted by Metalmanx
It wasn't really Hulk that defeated Juggy though. I mean, it was a psychic backlash, one not even produced from the Hulk.That's like saying, for example: A laser bounces off a mirror into its desired target and destroys/beats the target. Now, would you say that the mirror defeated the target? No, not at all. It was the producer of the laser that wins.
Therefore, Hulk does not have that victory against Juggenaut.
I got it from a site so I had no clue what exactly went on.