Originally posted by Templares
The argument that Wally JOBBED in that fight with Slade carries MORE WEIGHT, since its pretty much a GIVEN for almost any type of scenario that the Flash(es) has to, no, NEEDS to JOB to make things interesting and end the fight in less than a second.The writer doesnt even have to use Slade's jobbing aura to get the effect.
Quicksilver WINS.
Thank you, I'm glad someone understands this.
Please Deathstroke has been crushing speedseters since day one. Especially wally he has been making Wally his ***** for years IC was definetly not the first. Either way Quicksilver has been tagged by much slower guys than Deathstroke, like the Hulk. Except when deathstroke Tags him its with a sword to the chest, but unlike wally Peitro can't heal in a few minutes.
yeah yeah why dont you guys love calling tyrant jobbing when he let thanos hang with him even for a little, why dont you call it jobbing when he knocked down galactus oh yeah for flash losing to deathstroke its jobbing, but for thanos to beat all these heralds of galactus oh yeah no PIS there not for thanos, anyway its a shame you hate deathstroke so much and who are you to say how fast his reflexes are, are you his creator or something if it was spiderman im sure youd say oh yeah he sure is fast that spiderman.
I don't hate Deathstroke. Not one bit. Here's the thing though- he's only so far above human. He has been given a hard time by most other street-levelers. Flash is a guy who can LITERALLY travels around the frickin planet several times in the amount of time it takes Slade to come up with a plan. No matter how cunning or fast Deathstroke is, there is simply NO way in Hell that he can realistically touch Flash. In that same fight where he stabbed the Flash, he easily beat a Green Lantern!
Deathstroke has a huge jobber aura equivalent to Wolverine's. He's given Wonder Woman a hard time in a physical confrontation. As mentioned before, he's tagged the Flash ( and if I recall correctly, Wally stupidly ran into Slade's sword). In that same fight where he stabbed the Flash, he also easily beat a Green Lantern!
Quicksilver has also been tagged several times, that much is true. But he is also written as an idiot most of the time, same as Wally. Pietro also often falls for the simplest of tricks to catch speedsters(ie the "clothesline" move); but if operating at his pre-HoM speeds and without CIS, Deathstroke should never touch Quicksilver, and neither should Spider-Man, Wolverine, or Hulk for that matter.
Originally posted by Accel
I don't hate Deathstroke. Not one bit. Here's the thing though- he's only so far above human. He has been given a hard time by most other street-levelers. Flash is a guy who can LITERALLY travels around the frickin planet several times in the amount of time it takes Slade to come up with a plan. No matter how cunning or fast Deathstroke is, there is simply NO way in Hell that he can realistically touch Flash. In that same fight where he stabbed the Flash, he easily beat a Green Lantern!Deathstroke has a huge jobber aura equivalent to Wolverine's. He's given Wonder Woman a hard time in a physical confrontation. As mentioned before, he's tagged the Flash ( and if I recall correctly, Wally stupidly ran into Slade's sword). In that same fight where he stabbed the Flash, he also easily beat a Green Lantern!
Quicksilver has also been tagged several times, that much is true. But he is also written as an idiot most of the time, same as Wally. Pietro also often falls for the simplest of tricks to catch speedsters(ie the "clothesline" move); but if operating at his pre-HoM speeds and without CIS, Deathstroke should never touch Quicksilver, and neither should Spider-Man, Wolverine, or Hulk for that matter.
I knew I liked you for a reason.
*chimes in*
(Pure) speedsters like the Flash(es), Pietro, the Whizzer etc. JOB to EVERYONE, whether your name is Deathstroke, Mirror Master, Gorilla Grodd, Capt.Cold, random thug etc. ('cept when faced against someone with superspeed). This fact alone transforms whatever SvFL crutch DS has on the Flash into a MOOT point.
The JOBBING part is a GIVEN for any (pure) speedster because its the only way the writer could extend a story/confrontation. After all speed is their only power and if they use it WISELY, every written fight would end in a split second.
But we are NOT writing anything here.
You drop Slade in an empty arena against a SMART speedster without any prep, you get a curbstomp in favor of the speedster. Are we suppose to believe that the stabbing motion of a human hand, even from an enhanced human like DS, exceed the speed of sound, let alone tag a Flash that could outrun a nuke blast or a Quicksilver that could phase in and out of time?
And lets not forget that the aformentioned speedsters have super reflexes.
I ask again what level of retardation is the speedster at, entering this fight?
Originally posted by Accel
I don't hate Deathstroke. Not one bit. Here's the thing though- he's only so far above human. He has been given a hard time by most other street-levelers. Flash is a guy who can LITERALLY travels around the frickin planet several times in the amount of time it takes Slade to come up with a plan. No matter how cunning or fast Deathstroke is, there is simply NO way in Hell that he can realistically touch Flash. In that same fight where he stabbed the Flash, he easily beat a Green Lantern!Deathstroke has a huge jobber aura equivalent to Wolverine's. He's given Wonder Woman a hard time in a physical confrontation. As mentioned before, he's tagged the Flash ( and if I recall correctly, Wally stupidly ran into Slade's sword). In that same fight where he stabbed the Flash, he also easily beat a Green Lantern!
Quicksilver has also been tagged several times, that much is true. But he is also written as an idiot most of the time, same as Wally. Pietro also often falls for the simplest of tricks to catch speedsters(ie the "clothesline" move); but if operating at his pre-HoM speeds and without CIS, Deathstroke should never touch Quicksilver, and neither should Spider-Man, Wolverine, or Hulk for that matter.
Man I'm going to have to start quaoteing myslef instead of retyping all of this.
First of all how many times has Deathstroke faced Wally West? The anwer dozens of times from the time Wally was a teenager Deathstorke has been kicking his ass. So don't act like IC was the first time he crushed the flash.
Second don't act like IC was the first time Slade has crushed a Green Lantern either. At least Kyle made him work for it a littel unlike Hal who just folded like fresh laundry.
Third Wally needs lots of space and at least a straight line to get up to the speeds you are talking about. He din't have either one of those standign stil he he had about 10 feet to get to Slade and it was made even harder by the explosions Wally also needs to amp up his perceptions too. Lobo has caught Wally like that, Double Down has caught wally Like that, Mirror Master... the list goes on. Its a viable tactic to take down any speedster. Deathstroke has enough expericne and refelexive speed from the very day he was created to keep up with speed force users. If you don't like it tough, take it up with DC. He can't hang with any of them at full speed and if the cacth him in the open (as wally did one time) they usually beat the crap out of him. Slade executed a his plan perfectly. Its what he does.
You bet your ass he has a jobber aura and like Wolverine its one he deserves cause he kicks people's ass. How many times does a thing have to happen before people just accept it. Your logic only applies where comic books haven't directly contradicted it with its own consitency.
Quicksilver isn't even as fast as kid flash and Slade straight up kicked him out of a speed blitz. Pietro will get murdered PIS can go to hell.
And thenyou have to question the logic of your own question. Slade by his stats is way above pretty mcuh any street leveler. But they do give him a hard time is that PIS?
Originally posted by AccelDS tagging wally that fight aint PISS. Simple planning and simple physics. People trip over stuff lying on the ground all the time walk into walls ect . Yes Wally could have KO'd DS before the explosions went off BUT that is not his style he wanted to go past the explosives and disableDS from behind. DS knows how Wally thinks and therefore can predict what he can do and he has the reflexes to see Wally first few moves.
I don't hate Deathstroke. Not one bit. Here's the thing though- he's only so far above human. He has been given a hard time by most other street-levelers. Flash is a guy who can LITERALLY travels around the frickin planet several times in the amount of time it takes Slade to come up with a plan. No matter how cunning or fast Deathstroke is, there is simply NO way in Hell that he can realistically touch Flash. In that same fight where he stabbed the Flash, he easily beat a Green Lantern!Deathstroke has a huge jobber aura equivalent to Wolverine's. He's given Wonder Woman a hard time in a physical confrontation. As mentioned before, he's tagged the Flash ( and if I recall correctly, Wally stupidly ran into Slade's sword). In that same fight where he stabbed the Flash, he also easily beat a Green Lantern!
Quicksilver has also been tagged several times, that much is true. But he is also written as an idiot most of the time, same as Wally. Pietro also often falls for the simplest of tricks to catch speedsters(ie the "clothesline" move); but if operating at his pre-HoM speeds and without CIS, Deathstroke should never touch Quicksilver, and neither should Spider-Man, Wolverine, or Hulk for that matter.
Kyle Rayner is a dumbass pure and simple he tried to punch DS instead of using the ring and got turded.
Originally posted by Warmonger
First of all how many times has Deathstroke faced Wally West? The anwer dozens of times from the time Wally was a teenager Deathstorke has been kicking his ass. So don't act like IC was the first time he crushed the flash.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Second don't act like IC was the first time Slade has crushed a Green Lantern either. At least Kyle made him work for it a littel unlike Hal who just folded like fresh laundry
Originally posted by Warmonger
Third Wally needs lots of space and at least a straight line to get up to the speeds you are talking about. He din't have either one of those standign stil he he had about 10 feet to get to Slade and it was made even harder by the explosions Wally also needs to amp up his perceptions too. Lobo has caught Wally like that, Double Down has caught wally Like that, Mirror Master... the list goes on. Its a viable tactic to take down any speedster. Deathstroke has enough expericne and refelexive speed from the very day he was created to keep up with speed force users. If you don't like it tough, take it up with DC. He can't hang with any of them at full speed and if the cacth him in the open (as wally did one time) they usually beat the crap out of him. Slade executed a his plan perfectly. Its what he does.
Every thing moves in slow motion to Wally. If we’re talking about a Flash who doesn’t want to be tagged, then not even Superman would be able hit him in a fight. And PLEASE don’t tell me you think Deathstroke has quicker reflexes than Superman.
Originally posted by Warmonger
You bet your ass he has a jobber aura and like Wolverine its one he deserves cause he kicks people's ass. How many times does a thing have to happen before people just accept it. Your logic only applies where comic books haven't directly contradicted it with its own consitency.
Ironically, I believe Batman and Aquaman had the best showings against Deathstroke.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Quicksilver isn't even as fast as kid flash and Slade straight up kicked him out of a speed blitz. Pietro will get murdered PIS can go to hell.
Originally posted by Warmonger
And thenyou have to question the logic of your own question. Slade by his stats is way above pretty mcuh any street leveler. But they do give him a hard time is that PIS?
Originally posted by godking
DS tagging wally that fight aint PISS. Simple planning and simple physics. People trip over stuff lying on the ground all the time walk into walls ect . Yes Wally could have KO'd DS before the explosions went off BUT that is not his style he wanted to go past the explosives and disableDS from behind. DS knows how Wally thinks and therefore can predict what he can do and he has the reflexes to see Wally first few moves.Kyle Rayner is a dumbass pure and simple he tried to punch DS instead of using the ring and got turded.
Hence, why we call it:
Plot
Induced
Stupidity
Originally posted by spideycarnage
that was PIS when slade beat Flash
What's a 'PIS'?
Anyways, I think that Deathstroke could easily beat Flash. And yes, I said COULD easily beat Flash, not would. Most times Flash is going to just punch him in the face and knock him out, but Deathstroke could easily get him if he got the jump on him.
Originally posted by superman41082
What's a 'PIS'?Anyways, I think that Deathstroke could easily beat Flash. And yes, I said COULD easily beat Flash, not would. Most times Flash is going to just punch him in the face and knock him out, but Deathstroke could easily get him if he got the jump on him.
Originally posted by Accel
We’ve also seen the Hulk beat the crap out of Thor a bunch of times. However, here on the KMC, Hulk would lose to Thor 10/10.You really don’t see any problem with Deathstroke beating up a Green Lantern? Kyle shouldn’t have HAD to make Deathstroke work for it. All he had to do was contain Slade in a construct.
Wally doesn’t need a lot of space to reach light-speed. He’s done things in picoseconds on a whim. Again, Wally HAS been tagged by much slower characters many times., but that is because he is in a comic book. Here on the KMC, Wally doesn’t have to job to anyone.
Every thing moves in slow motion to Wally. If we’re talking about a Flash who doesn’t want to be tagged, then not even Superman would be able hit him in a fight. And PLEASE don’t tell me you think Deathstroke has quicker reflexes than Superman.
Yes, he does kick peoples’ asses. This because those people JOB to him. Do you really think Wonder Woman (who’s strength is just below Superman’s strength), Green Lantern (who contained a big bang), and Flash (who’s evacuated a whole city in less than .000001 seconds) should be having problems with someone like Slade?
Ironically, I believe Batman and Aquaman had the best showings against Deathstroke.
No, Pietro is nowhere near any of the Flashes. But neither is Deathstroke. Again, here on the KMC, Quicksilver won’t do anything as stupid as run into Slade’s sword while he’s standing there.
I’m surprised that find it more PIS that Deathstroke has trouble with the Bat family than you do when he beats up a Green Lantern.
Yes, they acted [B]stupid
so that the plot could be interesting.Hence, why we call it:
Plot
Induced
Stupidity [/B]
...Long lost brother? 😉
But seriously, you are my new best friend on this forum.
Originally posted by Accel
We’ve also seen the Hulk beat the crap out of Thor a bunch of times. However, here on the KMC, Hulk would lose to Thor 10/10.
Uhm what? No he wouldn't, Hulk is hardly the only big bruiser to give Thor a beatdown. Thor might have an advantage with his diversity but he defienietly doesn't beat Hulk 10/10.
You really don’t see any problem with Deathstroke beating up a Green Lantern? Kyle shouldn’t have HAD to make Deathstroke work for it. All he had to do was contain Slade in a construct.
Wally doesn’t need a lot of space to reach light-speed. He’s done things in picoseconds on a whim. Again, Wally HAS been tagged by much slower characters many times., but that is because he is in a comic book. Here on the KMC, Wally doesn’t have to job to anyone.
The one time Wally caught Slade unprepared out in the open he beat the living piss out of him. Wally even said "come on Slade you didn't really think you were faster than me?"
Every thing moves in slow motion to Wally. If we’re talking about a Flash who doesn’t want to be tagged, then not even Superman would be able hit him in a fight. And PLEASE don’t tell me you think Deathstroke has quicker reflexes than Superman.
Yes, he does kick peoples’ asses. This because those people JOB to him. Do you really think Wonder Woman (who’s strength is just below Superman’s strength), Green Lantern (who contained a big bang), and Flash (who’s evacuated a whole city in less than .000001 seconds) should be having problems with someone like Slade?
To be fair to Wonder Woman he fought her when the author had brought her down several pegs in the strength category. Not to mention Slade has taken hits from both Superboy and Wondergirl in one of his last run ins with the Teen Titans. Green Lantern made a mistake it happens get over it. Batman has done things like that to all three of them but I don't hear you complaining about that. That is like saying Batman beats people only because they Job to him even thouhg he has dedicated his entire mind to anylyizing and exploiting peoples weaknessess.
Also about that Flash feat. Wally said that when he goes the speed of light he ends up running into the speed force. Do the math on that event you will see that he is runing exponentially faster than the speed of light. If that is the case isn't that PIS? Or is what actually happens more important than what 'should' happen?
Ironically, I believe Batman and Aquaman had the best showings against Deathstroke.
No, Pietro is nowhere near any of the Flashes. But neither is Deathstroke. Again, here on the KMC, Quicksilver won’t do anything as stupid as run into Slade’s sword while he’s standing there.
I’m surprised that find it more PIS that Deathstroke has trouble with the Bat family than you do when he beats up a Green Lantern.
Yes, they acted [B]stupid so that the plot could be interesting.
Hence, why we call it:
Plot
Induced
Stupidity [/B]
Originally posted by Warmonger
Uhm what? No he wouldn't, Hulk is hardly the only big bruiser to give Thor a beatdown. Thor might have an advantage with his diversity but he defienietly doesn't beat Hulk 10/10.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Sure I do, because as you pointed out all Kyle had to do was put Slade in a bubble...but he didn't. Instead he acted like an ass and tried to take slade in a department that Slade happens ot be better in, so he got crushed. Not to mention that Hal Jordan had put Slade in a construct but had gotten careless and Slade was able to capitalize and take him down.
Originally posted by Warmonger
What is the is garbage about Jobbing. While a character doesn't have to act extra studpidly the characters normal traits are still in effect so Wally will still charge in blindly half of the time. He is just usually fast enough to avoid the bad of that. Also Wally has to amp up himself to move at those speeds he probalby figured he could take Slade without it and didn't plan on the explosions which kept slowing him down as he changed directons.
Originally posted by Warmonger
The one time Wally caught Slade unprepared out in the open he beat the living piss out of him. Wally even said "come on Slade you didn't really think you were faster than me?"
Originally posted by Warmonger
When has superman laid a perfect trap for Wally LIKE EVERY BODY IN HIS ROUGES GALLERY DOES? Put Superman in the smae situation as SLade had been and he would have straight up killed Wally.
Originally posted by Warmonger
To be fair to Wonder Woman he fought her when the author had brought her down several pegs in the strength category. Not to mention Slade has taken hits from both Superboy and Wondergirl in one of his last run ins with the Teen Titans. Green Lantern made a mistake it happens get over it. Batman has done things like that to all three of them but I don't hear you complaining about that. That is like saying Batman beats people only because they Job to him even thouhg he has dedicated his entire mind to anylyizing and exploiting peoples weaknessess.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Also about that Flash feat. Wally said that when he goes the speed of light he ends up running into the speed force. Do the math on that event you will see that he is runing exponentially faster than the speed of light. If that is the case isn't that PIS? Or is what actually happens more important than what 'should' happen?
Originally posted by Warmonger
Aquaman fought a comeplelty powerless Slade and he still managed to embarass both him and Green Lantern. Batman also fought Slade when he had been somewhat depowered. The second fight Slade had full use of his powers and he kicked Batman's ass abotu three times in that comic until Batman snuck up on him and hit him with his rifle.
Originally posted by Warmonger
How can you say that Slade is nowhere near none of the FLashes? In his first appearcnes he showed he could keep up with Kid Flash in a short space. And his runins with the FLashs since has shown he can. Just becaus its not what you want doens't mean its not true.
Originally posted by Warmonger
I didn't say it was PIS. I am just following your train of Logic. You say because of FLashs stats he should not have trouble with anyone, other wise its PIS. Following that Logic shouldn't Deathstroke having trouble with the Batfamily be PIS as well? I would say no to both being PIS I care more about waht actually happens after all how do you argue with a comic book?
If you don’t want to argue with what you read, then fine. I guess this means Batman, Wolverine, and Captain America all really do have high superhuman levels of strength, durability, and speed.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Or B: Deathsroke is smarter and more able to capitalize on their weaknessess.