well, I'd say that this particular convo is very contradictory to the point that in the game it kinda contradicts itself a bet as well. Snake is the hero, but i do believe that him and Liquid are twins as stated in MGS or Twin Snakes as it would be easier to refer to. Solidus however, most likely came first. I mean, he did serve as president for some time. I'll have to read more about Solidus first though because i never got to finish Sons of Liberty. I'm gonna have to go out and buy all three all over again now. That way i can replay Twin Snakes on the GC, SOL, and Snake eater before MGS 4 comes out,(even though i probably wont' be getting a PS3)