Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Based on Loki's showings against the Thor Corps, Bor, Seth, Surtur etc. I think he has the fire power necessary to put him down.
the seth showing was likely his most impressive imo. matching ss in power level was solid as well. the thor corps blast was good, but hard to see that hitting adam, nor do i know how much his protection against magic would limit the blast damage. not impossible for him to get a win via simple power, but not likely either imo. i see bfr as the safest route and he would certainly lose h2h if it went any length of time. even armored, thor handled him easily. i think thor even beat down an amped loki physically at some point. and while i agree overall thor>ba, i'd rate their strength levels near enough to call them even. ba can also h2h strike at superspeed so i'd say in h2h ba would be at least as hard to handle for loki as thor would be.
Originally posted by leonidas
the seth showing was likely his most impressive imo. matching ss in power level was solid as well.
Matching that Seth in his own realm where his power was boosted was outright crazy even though it was brief.
Originally posted by leonidas
the thor corps blast was good, but hard to see that hitting adam, nor do i know how much his protection against magic would limit the blast damage.
Why? From everything I've read, Adam is very much the type to try and tank attacks etc. Besides, as seen against the Thor Corps, Loki can use teleportation, illusion spells and such to get in close.
The power needed to easily beating the shit out of Beta Ray Bill and Masterson Thor like that is enough to put Adam down. Course, that's a bit of a higher end showing.
Originally posted by leonidas
not impossible for him to get a win via simple power, but not likely either imo.
Definitely not impossible. I think if Loki goes power vs. power, he gets like 4/10. Using a higher end Loki, he wins.
Originally posted by leonidas
i see bfr as the safest route and he would certainly lose h2h if it went any length of time
It is the safest and probably the most effective tactic, but I'm just pointing out that he has other methods.
I agree he'd lose going punch for punch in any really extended time.
Of course, summoning the sword of Frey alone would put things in his favor unless Adam really pours on the speed. With his magical enchanted weapons, and his ability to amp his physical stats, Loki is extremely formidable in combat as seen against the Disir, the Thor Corps etc. He even once started defeating Thor IIRC until Karina brought the storm. Also stalemated him on at least one other occasion.
If he fights him like he has Thor on different occasions, Black Adam would have to pour on the speed to defeat Loki in direct combat -magic etc. not included- as he doesn't have Mjolnir as a counter.
Originally posted by leonidas
even armored, thor handled him easily. i think thor even beat down an amped loki physically at some point. and while i agree overall thor>ba, i'd rate their strength levels near enough to call them even. ba can also h2h strike at superspeed so i'd say in h2h ba would be at least as hard to handle for loki as thor would be.
Easily? Not from what I recall although Thor tore it to pieces eventually. For what it's worth however, Loki did not have a body at the time I believe and was only a wraith.
I might know the scene your talking about. I believe it's when Loki amped himself with the power of the Wrecking Crew and held his own hand to hand until Thor got really mad, beating him down. Amusingly enough, I don't think he ever lost the amp.
True if Adam poured on the speed, he'd be a problem, but Loki can easily counter with his magic. Illusions, shape shifting, intangibility etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Matching that Seth in his own realm where his power was boosted was outright crazy even though it was brief.Why? From everything I've read, Adam is very much the type to try and tank attacks etc. Besides, as seen against the Thor Corps, Loki can use teleportation, illusion spells and such to get in close.
The power needed to easily beating the shit out of Beta Ray Bill and Masterson Thor like that is enough to put Adam down. Course, that's a bit of a higher end showing.
Definitely not impossible. I think if Loki goes power vs. power, he gets like 4/10. Using a higher end Loki, he wins.
It is the safest and probably the most effective tactic, but I'm just pointing out that he has other methods.
I agree he'd lose going punch for punch in any really extended time.
Of course, summoning the sword of Frey alone would put things in his favor unless Adam really pours on the speed. With his magical enchanted weapons, and his ability to amp his physical stats, Loki is extremely formidable in combat as seen against the Disir, the Thor Corps etc. He even once started defeating Thor IIRC until Karina brought the storm. Also stalemated him on at least one other occasion.
If he fights him like he has Thor on different occasions, Black Adam would have to pour on the speed to defeat Loki in direct combat -magic etc. not included- as he doesn't have Mjolnir as a counter.
Easily? Not from what I recall although Thor tore it to pieces eventually. For what it's worth however, Loki did not have a body at the time I believe and was only a wraith.
I might know the scene your talking about. I believe it's when Loki amped himself with the power of the Wrecking Crew and held his own hand to hand until Thor got really mad, beating him down. Amusingly enough, I don't think he ever lost the amp.
True if Adam poured on the speed, he'd be a problem, but Loki can easily counter with his magic. Illusions, shape shifting, intangibility etc.
yeah it was the wrecking crew amp i was talking about. not sure what happened to that amp tbh.
i think the illusions would work, just not sure hjow effective. could get him in close i guess. a double blast to the ears might do the trick, ala thor corps. can't recall if he can o anything else while intangible. i remember a couple intangible/invisible feats (which would also help) but i don't remember him DOING anything while intangible, though i think he casted spells while invisible. i'd have to check to be sure though.
Issue number please.
I really need to re-read the Justice Society comics.
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah it was the wrecking crew amp i was talking about. not sure what happened to that amp tbh.i think the illusions would work, just not sure hjow effective. could get him in close i guess. a double blast to the ears might do the trick, ala thor corps. can't recall if he can o anything else while intangible. i remember a couple intangible/invisible feats (which would also help) but i don't remember him DOING anything while intangible, though i think he casted spells while invisible. i'd have to check to be sure though.
I don't either. Maybe it was lost because that physical body was IIRC destroyed by Thor.
I don't believe Adam has any counters for it. There's also the multiple body image trick that he has used against Thor.
I'm pretty certain Loki has cast spells while intangible or at the very least in an Astral Form. Most recently was that Avengers mini were he was using influencing Thor's mind while in an invisible/intangible form from another dimension.