Where does instinct come from?

The first thought that I can come up with is that the information is stored in the genes, but there is a problem with that. When you are born, your genes are set, and the things you experience in life do not change your genes. So, if a gazelle knows how to walk at birth, how does this advantage get passed on to the next generation?

The next thought is natural selection, but this too has a problem. Many instincts are complicated strings of events that must be done in a particular order. How dose a dragonfly know that once it reaches maturity it must mate and reproduce?

There is the concept of the collective consciousness; a dance of desires. Could instinct be stored within a mechanism similar to this?

According to Buddhism, there is what is known as the 8th level of consciousness, were all karma is stored. Could this be a better solution?

I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer to this because frankly, we don’t know. However, let’s try to see if we, all together, can come up with other possible answers.

8th level on consciousness = Genetic Memory = Fight or flight

SHAZAM !!!!

Inside to what is connected to what IS.

Originally posted by grey fox
8th level on consciousness = Genetic Memory = Fight or flight

SHAZAM !!!!

How does it work?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How does it work?

Your body does it without you knowing it , it's animal mentality. Kinda like how you breath without realising it , or how Newborns can swim...

Originally posted by grey fox
Your body does it without you knowing it , it's animal mentality. Kinda like how you breath without realising it , or how Newborns can swim...

So, how does it get passed on to the next generation?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, how does it get passed on to the next generation?

Through your Genes/Dna/Rna/Genetic Material , it's natural.

Have you played on MGS ? Alot of the genetics on it are pseudo science but some of what they talk about is understandable with Big bosses 'Soldier Genes'.

Originally posted by grey fox
Through your Genes/Dna/Rna/Genetic Material , it's natural.

Have you played on MGS ? Alot of the genetics on it are pseudo science but some of what they talk about is understandable with Big bosses 'Soldier Genes'.

But if you read the thread, there is a problem with the information being stored in the genes. Once you are born, your genes don't change, so any experiences don't count. Am I wrong about that? 😄

Individual experiences don count , just because you rode a bike now doesn't mean your son will instinctively know how.

REAL instinct though is something which is basic or necessary for mans early survival and as such is ingrained on/in our very minds form the day were born.

Originally posted by grey fox
Individual experiences don count , just because you rode a bike now doesn't mean your son will instinctively know how.

REAL instinct though is something which is basic or necessary for mans early survival and as such is ingrained on/in our very minds form the day were born.

But how dose it work? Where is this information stored, and how is it passed on?

Possibly in the back part of your brain (the fight or flight part)

How else do things get passed on ...Through the horizontal tango of course. 😄

Certain behaviors are determined by genetic programming (arrangement of molecular "bits" at the subcellular level). Among that genetic programming is the capacity to learn and "rewire" on the cellular level, not just within the brain/nervous system, but within the whole body. Genes may be set (relatively speaking), but the body is plastic. This is why skin darkens in the sun, muscles get bigger when you lift weights, and neurons grow more connections when stimulated with challenging tasks...all this potential being genetically determined.

For example: genetics determine the size and shape of a bird's wings; they also determine developmental growth, mentally, physically, and also neurochemically "signal" to the bird when it is time to try and fly. However, once the bird leaps from the nest, then it has to learn how to flap them feathers, use what genetics has prepared it for. There is trial-n-error, sensorimotor feedback, interaction with the environment, with the bird storing the experiential information.

Well, something like that...
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Originally posted by Mindship
Certain behaviors are determined by genetic programming (arrangement of molecular "bits" at the subcellular level). Among that genetic programming is the capacity to learn and "rewire" on the cellular level, not just within the brain/nervous system, but within the whole body. Genes may be set (relatively speaking), but the body is plastic. This is why skin darkens in the sun, muscles get bigger when you lift weights, and neurons grow more connections when stimulated with challenging tasks...all this potential being genetically determined.

For example: genetics determine the size and shape of a bird's wings; they also determine developmental growth, mentally, physically, and also neurochemically "signal" to the bird when it is time to try and fly. However, once the bird leaps from the nest, then it has to learn how to flap them feathers, use what genetics has prepared it for. There is trial-n-error, sensorimotor feedback, interaction with the environment, with the bird storing the experiential information.

Well, something like that...
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So basically, the things that happen to you in life changes your genes? So, a child born to a young mother will be genetically different then one born when the mother is older. That can be tested. 🙂

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So basically, the things that happen to you in life changes your genes? So, a child born to a young mother will be genetically different then one born when the mother is older. That can be tested. 🙂

More then likely , the child will probably be weaker as the older mother would lack the various necessities that younger mothers produce....

Originally posted by grey fox
More then likely , the child will probably be weaker as the older mother would lack the various necessities that younger mothers produce....

However, if the about is true, the later child will have more instinct to draw on, even if it is only slight. That does not make much sense. If the child born to the older mother has disadvantages because of a weaker mother, then the child born to a younger will have the advantage and more likely pass genes on to the next generation.

Yup , it's a double edged sword in that sense.

Originally posted by grey fox
Yup , it's a double edged sword in that sense.

What if, the information was stored in a location that we cannot detect yet. What if the 8th level of consciousness is real but something outside of our knowledge and our ability to detect?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What if, the information was stored in a location that we cannot detect yet. What if the 8th level of consciousness is real but something outside of our knowledge and our ability to detect?

Then it's untestable as of now, science can only test something that our 5 senses can analyze.

scientifically, I think, it's your brain working it out itself with the information stored in it from resource-senses such as our eyes, ears, etc.

our instict is genetic that some brains are better than others due to the DNA coding, which is why people get different assumptions and thoughts, but instinct is like a natural thought in the brain, kinda.

too hard to explain 😉

Originally posted by lord xyz
scientifically, I think, it's your brain working it out itself with the information stored in it from resource-senses such as our eyes, ears, etc.

our instict is genetic that some brains are better than others due to the DNA coding, which is why people get different assumptions and thoughts, but instinct is like a natural thought in the brain, kinda.

too hard to explain 😉

Different thoughts come from experience, Instincts are genetic traits you acquire since birth.