I don't have the energy to debate all this now, but as for this:
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
When I take the entirety of the EU orbiting the films in to consideration, I agree. Taking the films alone and totally by themselves, I disagree entirely. It's an okay scheme that fooled a bunch of people that didn't appear very capable of "critical thinking". This isn't so much the story's fault, as it is the poor timing of the scenes that portray the story.
Feel free to point out his scheme's many weaknesses and I'll address them all tomorrow sometime, since I doubt the similar debate with Neph will continue.
Originally posted by Zampanó
How would you all feel if DotOR was in a non-canon universe? If I nerf KotOR would you still want to play?
I assumed the setting of DotOR was already non-canon, seeing as it assumes KotOR II doesn't exist, introduces new Sith Lords and major Jedi, and assumes the Dark Side ending for KotOR I.
Also, Turr Phennir is starting to become my favorite poster here besides Faunus and Neph.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why do you want to set it in a non-canon universe?
Because.
[list=1][*]The post-KotOR II galaxy has no real Jedi Order, and thus little room for an entire party (or group of parties) of Jedi to be running around.
[*]The post-KotOR II galaxy is without a significant Sith presence, leading to awkward questions about any of those such characters.
[*]The point of divergence (see below) allows for a much more diverse cast, as well as a more dynamic political stage.
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My proposed timeline:
Revan led the charge against the mandalorian menace. Naturally, he was incredibly successful. Malachor goes off without a hitch, and the war party delves into the unknown regions as per original canon. Revan and Malak find the Star Forge. They do not engage the Republic in full-scale war. Instead, they take Ziost, Korriban, and a handful of outer rim planets as "religious pilgrims" returning to holy sites. They also begin a military buildup around these planets. Revan is then free to begin a media blitz on the (still intact) Jedi Order that leaves the populace weary of the theocratic meddling of babysnatchers.
This seems like a much more fun place to play than post-KotOR II, for me, because it leaves the Jedi with a central authority, multiple Sith vectors, and a galaxy on the brink of war, rather than already torn apart.
Edit: This was written at an archery range in the middle of the forest. There was no option to check the outstanding backstory of DotOR. If there is fluff allowing for Jedi and Sith in the necessary numbers then I'm happy to use that.
Originally posted by Zampanó
Because.
[list=1][*]The post-KotOR II galaxy has no real Jedi Order, and thus little room for an entire party (or group of parties) of Jedi to be running around.
[*]The post-KotOR II galaxy is without a significant Sith presence, leading to awkward questions about any of those such characters.
[*]The point of divergence (see below) allows for a much more diverse cast, as well as a more dynamic political stage.
[/list]My proposed timeline:
Revan led the charge against the mandalorian menace. Naturally, he was incredibly successful. Malachor goes off without a hitch, and the war party delves into the unknown regions as per original canon. Revan and Malak find the Star Forge. They do not engage the Republic in full-scale war. Instead, they take Ziost, Korriban, and a handful of outer rim planets as "religious pilgrims" returning to holy sites. They also begin a military buildup around these planets. Revan is then free to begin a media blitz on the (still intact) Jedi Order that leaves the populace weary of the theocratic meddling of babysnatchers.This seems like a much more fun place to play than post-KotOR II, for me, because it leaves the Jedi with a central authority, multiple Sith vectors, and a galaxy on the brink of war, rather than already torn apart.
But in this you fail. DotOR was never post-KotOR II. It was 2 years after KotOR I, and the power vacuum left by a missing Malak and Revan allows for character development and factional war.
Also, because it does not follow the events of KotOR II (namely, Kreia, Nihilus and Sion do not exist as foes), the Jedi Order is not destroyed but simply reduced and it makes for more tension.
I still argue that my setting is fine as is.
Nephthys
No not really r-tard. I'm being flippant.But seriously this guy is pulling shit straight out of his ass thats never hinted at in the movie and that the actors aren't talented enough to portray.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd disagree with Janus but I'm so gosh-darn flattered at being among his favourite posters that I can't say a word.Though if its a galaxy thats on the brink of war as opposed to actually at war, how would we still fight?
quietly
But srsrly, we're using his setting that I couldn't look up until now
Originally posted by Eminence
Just so we're clear, the acquisition of suitable or talented actors is not an area in which the production of the prequel trilogy went terribly awry.
I know. Originally I pointed this out and tried to turn it around on Lucas but its just wasn't flippant enough. But I stand that the performances in the prequels were awful and if there was all this deep character stuff then they really didn't convey it imo.