The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Eminence3,287 pages

Turr_Phennir
I do not trust this. To whom was this directed and what level of sarcasm was involved?

My opinion has long been that the essence of the prequel trilogy was thematically layered and incredibly exciting. While I continue to loathe a great many aspects of the manner in which it was brought to life I've never shared the largely unconditional disdain for it that many of our friends harbor. The fact that it fell far short of its vast potential does not mean it is beyond enjoyment or that what works - explicitly or upon closer examination - loses merit.

You've rather exhaustively pointed out something that not only works, but flourishes as an example of what the prequels - even given an imperfect skeleton - could have accomplished with the guidance of a wise and steadfast hand. Commendations are in order.

This doesn't mean blame gets taken off of Lucas. I don't hate the man and it's impossible to deny that he's a gifted visionary, but I find it hard to accredit him those issues in his saga of truly intricate creativity because of how thoroughly he fumbled so many aspects of a terrific premise.

tl;dr, midi-chlorians, I hate sand, Chewbacca/Boba Fett camo, etc.

I think you're missing my ultimate sentiment. It's not that Palpatine succeeds, it's not about risks, it's not about Palpatine.

It's about the writing. Look what that guy wrote. Look what you've been arguing. You're explaining why the character succeeds. You're defending what happened. You shouldn't have to. That's the movie's job. They shouldn't be explaining to us everything Sidious is and does, all that he went through--making us care or hate him along the way. But the prequels didn't do this. They didn't show us the evil mastermind's vulnerability, or the risks he's taking. They basically said "He's evil, and he's going to win". And he did. No real struggle (I'm not talking about fights and duels), no real risk. Everything went according to plan. And that's not interesting. That's not entertaining. Palpatine did not make for a compelling villain. I wasn't marvelling at his genius, applauding his skill and power. I knew he would win, but the movies didn't give me a reason to care how.

That was the problem with everything in those films. There is no reason to care. Not about Anakin, not about Obi-Wan, or Padme, not about Yoda, Mace, or Palpatine. We already knew the ultimate fate of most of them, so that the anticipation is off the table. But they still didn't make the character's interesting. Only Palaptine, with his delightful, gleeful evil made for a fun character. Again, not compelling. Not interesting. Just fun.

We have to rationalize everything that happens in the films. We have to come up with the "probablys", and the "most likelys". The films tells us nothing. It shows us even less, in terms of plot and character development. That old axiom in visual media--Show, Don't Tell--doesn't seem to have been considered for the prequels.

Palpatine's ridiculous luck in not getting caught is just one symptom. And like I said earlier, it's not even the most egregious one. It's just the one that concerns our mutual favorite character of these films, so I think we both just zeroed in on him. I can completely forgive the extreme improbability of Palpatine succeeding as he did, it's not that big of a deal. It's the entire collective awfulness of the Prequel Trilogy that shines brightly. And at it's core it consists of three movies worth of bland, dull, boring, semi-retarded, robotic, lifeless, passionless characters advancing an equally boring, semi-retarded, pre-determined, passionless story.

Palpatine's character, I think, is the lone exception. So enjoy that fact. He's still cool.

Considering Palpatine's ID is used to set up the chancellor in Cloak of Deception, his suggestion sparks the issue on Eriadu, and his subsequent patronization of Naboo and criticism of the Trade Federation sparks the Naboo conflict, it's a small wonder he wasn't suspected of duplicity before AotC.

Even when considering the EU, it's just really amazing that no one of any influence, knowledge, or power ever suspected Palpatine. We have so many in real life who see evil shit the government does, but in decades of political quagmire and crises, no one ever saw Palaptine's hand? There were literally 10,000 magical warrior monks with the powers of precognition, premonition, and clairvoyance right next door. Some of them were even involved with the politicians. And no one ever saw anything? Suspected anything? Right up until the last moments of the Clone Wars, the Jedi still only thought that Palpatine was just a pawn. That Mas Amedda might be the Sith Lord. Apparently, even with suspicions galore and evidence pointing them towards the Vice Chair of the Senate, no one ever thought "Hey... maybe Palpatine? Wanna keep a file open on that one? Keep a guy on that case?"

F*ckin no one?

Updated races in Skyrim! The detail in the Argonian and Khajit are astounding, the Redguard looks like he could beat the shit out of a dragon barehanded, and I love how stylistically differentiated the elves are. Orcs and white folk look fine too. I will literally spend days on character customization. Amazing stuff.

This brings back memories. I played Morrowind with my cousins when I was ten; my cousin had an Argonian character that we stuck with for what must have been hundreds of hours, and we dedicated ourselves to wiping out the entire populace of the game. Never quite happened, but if memory serves we left more than one ghost town in our wake, killed some governor/royal for his ebony armor and massacred the retaliatory force, and robbed the vaults of Vivec. Good times.

I never got through a tenth of Oblivion, though. Too much fun with mods, character creation, the Dark Brotherhood, the Arena, and mods. Not enough fun with the Gates, and I've never explored legitimate guild quests of any kind.

Incidentally, I'm going to buy the Morrowind GOTY Edition off of Steam as soon as it goes on sale again. $20 for a game that good with that much content is not an unfair deal, but when I can get it for $5 on sale I convince myself that a game that came out nearly a decade ago can wait a few more months. Ideally I'll be able to make time for it without sacrificing sleep, girlfriend, workouts, naptime, friends, work study, work, and school. If not... well, I never liked college that much anyway.

Edit: Some moar pics.

Edit: Also 40 minutes of gameplay!

Yay for dirndls. But I think the elves look completely Man-ish and less Elf-ish. Not sure I like this, but I intended to play as Nord anyways.

I always play Breton; that magical resistance was rather nice to have in Oblivion.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
They basically said "He's evil, and he's going to win". And he did. No real struggle (I'm not talking about fights and duels), no real risk. Everything went according to plan. And that's not interesting. That's not entertaining.

As I mentioned earlier, if we can't come to a consensus as to canon events depicted in the films, there's no point in continuing this.

Korto, does any of th software I downloaded interfere with the regular installation of PC games? Cuz I'm trying to install teh Fallout Collection and jack shit is happenning.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how dedicated of a gamer are you?

7-8ish I guess. I play games quite alot but I'm not crazy about it. Why?

Curiosity.

Curiosity killed the cat you know.

Poor Mr. Schmickles. 🙁

Originally posted by Nephthys
Curiosity killed the cat you know.

I once knew a man so powerful and so wise he could even keep those he cared about from dying.

He could actually.... save those he loved from death?

Originally posted by Nephthys
He could actually.... save those he loved from death?

Nah, the key to the power is unbridled hatred.

Oh golly, I'd better go slaughter some kids then.

What games do you play, GideonCommander?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Korto, does any of th software I downloaded interfere with the regular installation of PC games? Cuz I'm trying to install teh Fallout Collection and jack shit is happenning.

Hmm....I'm not sure. I don't see how it would interfere. Were your CD drives working normally before you installed the software?

You should run a virus scan if you think something malicious is residing on your computer.

Why don't you try dismounting the virtual disc (if it is still mounted)?