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Gideon's post lol
He was so much smarter back then. 313
What do youse guys think of this guy's idea for Phantom Menace?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
What do youse guys think of this guy's idea for Phantom Menace?
Didn't really like them tbh. Trying to trick the audience into thinking Obi-Wan will fall is dumb because we know he doesn't. Obi-Wan falling for Padme also kind of doesn't work. There only needs to be one romance and thats Anakins, and even that doesn't need nearly as much time as it got. Too much romance is a distraction from more important stuff i.e. the fall of galactic democracy and the Jedi Order. We didn't get that much romance in the OT, because more important stuff was taking place and it was rightly placed in the background, pretty much solely banter between Leia and Han. In fact, its actually more effective that way, the subtlety works better than boring scenes of the characters 'falling for each other.'
I also don't see why Anakin still needs to be a kid. Just retcon the age thing. Luke didn't need to learn from age 5, make Jedi recruitable from any age.
I do agree that Maul shouldn't have died. Dooku is cool and all but as it is we just swap out antagonists all the time in the prequels. They meet Maul and he dies. They meet Dooku and he beats them, only to be killed right at the start of the next movie. Theres no chance to build up much towards the villain that way, and no chance for the heroes to become invested in the villains demise. Palpatine is a constant but we barely see him as Sidious so thats not nearly effective. Vader was effective as a constant presence. One strong character is superior to a bunch of cool ones.
Personally I'd completely scrap Episode I. Its not needed and wastes time. Have Episode I instead be the start of the Clone Wars, Episode II be the Clone Wars and Episode III be Anakins fall. Because Anakin has to learn to be a Jedi in the midst of a war in my version there is fertile ground to base his fall on. And we can actually see Obi-Wan and Anakin develop as friends with them, instead of getting lame 'remember when we...' bad writingness.
Actually, Dooku would probably be better than Maul. Maul is purely aesthetically effective. Dooku would be much better as the person who kills Qui-Gon since he has history with him and it would parallel nicely with New Hope.
Although then we get to whether even Qui-Gon is needed. You could easily combine him with Obi-Wan as RLM suggests and have the movie possibly improve. Have Dooku instead be Obi-Wan's friend, or mentor or something. Even though Obi-Wan does heavily imply in the OT that Yoda was his master.
I don't think he was trying to recreate the entire trilogy, rather rearrange what was already there. Though yeah, TPM should almost wholly be scrapped. He mentioned how Anakin should be a teen or young adult.
The OT was more about the characters than it was the themes or ideas. And while I don't want a romance to be the driving plot of the film, it at least needs to be a big part of it. Bigger than Han and Leia's. They didn't produce two kids vital to the OT. Anakin did. We need to have his relationship with whatever woman (Padme's a stick in the mud--re-write her) established and fleshed out. And that woman's absence in the OT needs to be addressed. And it's only reasonable that she play a part in Anakin's fall. A romantic co-plot is necessary for the PT, and it's only appropriate to wrangle in Obi-Wan (I agree that he should have been the protagonist).
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And while I don't want a romance to be the driving plot of the film, it at least needs to be a big part of it. Bigger than Han and Leia's. They didn't produce two kids vital to the OT. Anakin did. We need to have his relationship with whatever woman (Padme's a stick in the mud--re-write her) established and fleshed out. And that woman's absence in the OT needs to be addressed. And it's only reasonable that she play a part in Anakin's fall.
Agreed with this. Also imo I personally did not find anything bad about the romanc ein the PT, I actually thought it was a great, teagic love story.
Only because you is trying to make it sound stupid by mixing up wthe wording. There was nothing wrong with teh dialogue if anything it is good parallel because sand represents his life as a slave on Tatooine which was maybe the thing he hated most, Padme on the other had the thing he loved the most. And he was talking about the place but it served as double meaning as he started to rub Padme's back.
Source: having worked one the film.
Therew was nothing wrong with the romance, it was believable, they had history together (that probably ment more to anakin) and anakin clearly had strong memories of her, they get reuinted and slowly padme starts to see anakin differently, and of course it is believable because anakin is very handsome and padme is extremely hot plus likeable and they go through a lot of stuff together (lfie and detah situations, death attempts on padmes life, anakins mum dying).
And the dialogue was fine. Alot of hate stems from the fact that a lot of people who love star waRS are not fans of the romance genre.