Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
I never said gays were bad people, they should have the right to be together and equal rights. Just not marriage.
I'm with you, homo homie. Gays should benefit from the absolute, fundamental principle of equal rights. Except for the right to marry.
It's "only a sith deals in absolutes" all over again.
Originally posted by Zampanó
Advent probably not.
Nai and Janus have both disappeared, but they often return.I miss MasterCrimzon the most because I finally know things about film and editing and shit.
Wasn't Crimzon Pakistani or something? One of the guys was middle eastern or something and it always sounded wild whenever he'd talk about his life.
Originally posted by Master Han
I'm with you,homohomie. Gays should benefit from the absolute, fundamental principle of equal rights. Except for the right to marry.It's "only a sith deals in absolutes" all over again.
No. Your dealing in absolutes by saying "if they DONT get married they DONT have equal rights". Fact is marriage is between a MAN and a WOMEN not two men. You liberals can ramble on and on about it, but the fact is gay marriage will NEVER be legalized in red states(Kansas, Alabama, Texas) or the majority of america.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
They should be able to live their life as normal people.
Who determines what is "normal", and why should this matter? Is it "normal" to debate in a "Star Wars versus forum"? Something tells me that, statistically speaking, such behavior is less common than the LGBT community.
But if I listen to an obscure rock band that nobody knows of, am I "normal"? But who cares if I'm not?
Have civil unions? sure. But not adopt children/marry.
You just agreed they should have equal rights. Now you're arbitrarily stripping them of certain liberties for no reason other than that their behavior you subjectively judge to be "disgusting", with a total lack of concrete negative side effects.
Originally posted by Master Han
Who determines what is "normal", and why should this matter? Is it "normal" to debate in a "Star Wars versus forum"? Something tells me that, statistically speaking, such behavior is less common than the LGBT community.But if I listen to an obscure rock band that nobody knows of, am I "normal"? But who cares if I'm not?
You just agreed they should have equal rights. Now you're arbitrarily stripping them of certain liberties for no reason other than that their behavior you subjectively judge to be "disgusting", with a total lack of concrete negative side effects.
A child needs a father and a mother. NOT a mother and a mother. The reason why Gay marriage is disgusting is its because its USED as a tool by liberals like you and others to force their beliefs on others. Fact is a majority of Americans WILL NEVER support Gay Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, simply put. How anyone could think otherwise is beyond me.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
It's like Conservative Borat.
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Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
A child needs a father and a mother.
1. Based on whose scientific research?
2. Why are convicted murderers allowed to marry, as long as they're straight? Why is it that you add in a new criteria ("must be good parents"😉, to justify your old one ("must be straight"😉, but then only seem to use it as a smokescreen, applying it in the most blatant of double standards?
3. Wouldn't you agree that adoption by a loving, law abiding gay couple >>>>> living in an orphanage?
You're using precisely the same hasty generalization that "justified" denying various groups of people equal rights on vague, often imaginary correlations.
NOT a mother and a mother. The reason why Gay marriage is disgusting is its because its USED as a tool by liberals like you and others to force their beliefs on others.
LOL @ fail logic. So letting gays marry forces beliefs on you? How does letting other people do what they want with their private lives somehow affect your own.?
If anything, your sophistic reversal should be unwound to reveal that it is you who is trying to force your own subjective opinion of the morality of homosexuality on others.
Fact is a majority of Americans WILL NEVER support Gay Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman, simply put. How anyone could think otherwise is beyond me.
...but a majority of Americans already support gay marriage. Haven't you read the polls?
1. Based on whose scientific research?
2. Why are convicted murderers allowed to marry, as long as they're straight? Why is it that you add in a new criteria ("must be good parents"😉, to justify your old one ("must be straight"😉, but then only seem to use it as a smokescreen, applying it in the most blatant of double standards?
3. Wouldn't you agree that adoption by a loving, law abiding gay couple >>>>> living in an orphanage?You using precisely the same hasty generalization that "justified" denying various groups of people equal rights on vague, often imaginary correlations.
1.In EVERY society since the START of time marriage has been between a MAN and a WOMEN. Its just the way things are. You can't go against that just to "be progressive". Its ridiculous.
Also--the reason why I HATE most Pro-Gay Marriage people is because most of them consider Gays more important and better then Soldiers, Cops, or Policemen which is RIDICULOUS. Seriously, gays already have equal rights. Liberals just make a issue out of Gay rights because they are wrong on the other issues.
2.Whoever said I believe they should be able to marry?. Lol.
3.No, i'm fine with Gay Adoptions. But I would perfer to see the child be adopted by straight parents.
LOL @ fail logic. So letting gays marry forces beliefs on you? How does letting other people do what they want with their private lives somehow affect your own.?If anything, your sophistic reversal should be unwound to reveal that it is you who is trying to force your own subjective opinion of the morality of homosexuality on others.
No. I don't give a shit that you believe in gay marriage. Honestly I could care less. But it is MY VIEW(and the view of most americans) that it is disgusting and wrong. Don't push your views on me.
this is just another hillarous example of
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...but a majority of Americans already support gay marriage. Haven't you read the polls?
Actually.
NO.
In california they voted on gay marriage. California is proabably the most liberal state in the union(one of them). And it was voted down MASSIVELY. Like 58 to 42% Gay Marriage GOT ROADED. If in a liberal ass state like california most people don't like gay marriage there's no way in HELL(and for a FACT) Gay Marriage will be accepted in ANY Republican/Moderate state.
And the funny thing about gay marriage was that it was MINORITIES that voted it down
😆 the supposed "most liberal groups" said hell no to that shit. Most blacks I know and most of my black friends find gay marriage disgusting and wrong, same with most minorities. Literally hardly anyone besides WHITE LIBERALS in ultra democrat states support gay marriage.
Were the **** did you get those "polls" from?. MSNBC?. 😆
Hell even MOST people in ****ing CALIFORNIA oppose gay marriage!.
You'r other post is just so ignorant i'm not even going to take the time to respond to it.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
1.In EVERY society since the START of time marriage has been between a MAN and a WOMEN. Its just the way things are. You can't go against that just to "be progressive". Its ridiculous.
That logic has been recycled (by people entirely against the literal action) and reused since time immemorial, to support every oppressive social convention, be it slavery, forced marriages or discrimination.
99+% of those societies you flout were slave owning, racist, patriarchal, scientifically illiterate and classist. Please.
"Appeal to tradition" is what you're doing here. It's actually an outright logical fallacy.
Also--the reason why I HATE most Pro-Gay Marriage people is because most of them consider Gays more important and better then Soldiers, Cops, or Policemen which is RIDICULOUS. Seriously, gays already have equal rights. Liberals just make a issue out of Gay rights because they are wrong on the other issues.
Gays already have equal rights...but they cannot marry?
Only RotJVader deals in retarded contradictions.
2.Whoever said I believe they should be able to marry?. Lol.
I don't see you rallying against <insert demographic here> being allowed to marry, despite there being far more scientific literature to support such theses.
For example, did you know that divorce rates amongst religious fundamentalists are noticeably higher than the national average? I suppose we should ban fundies from marrying, by your own reasoning.
3.No, i'm fine with Gay Adoptions. But I would perfer to see the child be adopted by straight parents.
...you just said you weren't fine with gay adoptions. More than once. Why are you shifting goalposts?
Actually.NO.
In california they voted on gay marriage. California is proabably the most liberal state in the union(one of them). And it was voted down MASSIVELY. Like 58 to 42% Gay Marriage GOT ROADED. If in a liberal ass state like california most people don't like gay marriage there's no way in HELL(and for a FACT) Gay Marriage will be accepted in ANY Republican/Moderate state.
And the funny thing about gay marriage was that it was MINORITIES that voted it down
😆 the supposed "most liberal groups" said hell no to that shit. Most blacks I know and most of my black friends find gay marriage disgusting and wrong, same with most minorities. Literally hardly anyone besides WHITE LIBERALS in ultra democrat states support gay marriage.You'r other post is just so ignorant i'm not even going to take the time to respond to it.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/162398/sex-marriage-support-solidifies-above.aspx
^note that gallup has been accused of over-representing republicans due to some flawed methodology, as evidenced in their horrible underestimation of Obama's support in 2012.
EDIT: there you go with the laughable logic again. You have every right to believe that gay marriage is disgusting and wrong. But that shouldn't effect what gay couples can do with their own lives, whether you like it or not.
That logic has been recycled (by people entirely against the literal action) and reused since time immemorial, to support every oppressive social convention, be it slavery, forced marriages or discrimination.
99+% of those societies you flout were slave owning, racist, patriarchal, scientifically illiterate and classist. Please.
So......Current America is racist? most of the world is racist?. Cause you know only like 6countries have gay marriage lmao.
Gay Marriage is a joke.
Gays already have equal rights...but they cannot marry?
Yes. No ones asking gays to sit in the back of the bus or any of that shit. They live the same lifes normal people do. They just can't marry.
If you HONESTLY can't see the difference between that and equality. Then you need to stop watching so much MSNBC and get out in the real ****ing world.
Only RotJVader deals in retarded contradictions.
Lmao wat up liberal troll.
I don't see you rallying against <insert demographic here> being allowed to marry, despite there being far more scientific literature to support such theses.
They shouldint be allowed to marry lol.
For example, did you know that divorce rates amongst religious fundamentalists are noticeably higher than the national average? I suppose we should ban fundies from marrying, by your own reasoning.
LOL. You are officially a COMPLETE IDIOT.
Yeah people have their problems in marriage. And it's far from perfect. But marriage is between a MAN and a WOMEN PERIOD. Nothing you say can change that. Seriously it was Adam and Eve not ADAM and STEVE.
There's a reason why most states have banded gay marriage, folks.
Were's your source for that?. Because southerners are strong wild, patriotic, and good people. I lived in the south for a short time and hardly saw anyone getting divorced. In California divorice rates are insane.
Even if it was the case, it dosint matter since marriage is between a man and a women anyways.
Also gays don't create a family. They don't reproduce. Other then the fact Gay marriage is you know wrong, it has ZERO benifits.
Honestly I have no problem with gay people, just gay marriage.
...you just said you weren't fine with gay adoptions. More than once. Why are you shifting goalposts?
Personally, Im against Gay Adoptions. But if a child is truly happy or can be made happy with gays, then why not.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/162398/s...fies-above.aspx^note that gallup has been accused of over-representing republicans due to some flawed methodology, as evidenced in their horrible underestimation of Obama's support in 2012.
EDIT: there you go with the laughable logic again. You have every right to believe that gay marriage is disgusting and wrong. But that shouldn't effect what gay couples can do with their own lives, whether you like it or not.
Actually NO LOL. During Prop 8 in california most polls stated the overhweelming majority of people favored gay marriage. But when election day came gay marriages got VOTED DOWN overhweelmingly. like 58 to 42%. Also thats just one poll which dosint mean anything anyways especially since the most liberal state out there(or one of them) voted down Gay Marriage.
And GAY MARRIAGE WILL NEVER EVER BE ACCEPTED IN STATES LIKE ALABAMA, TEXAS, OR UTAH!. You know, the part of america thats not run by FREAKS?.
Anyways i'm done with this topic. I can tell were this is going and it's going to end BADLY. So im just not gona reply. So **** this shit.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
So......Current America is racist? most of the world is racist?. Cause you know only like 6countries have gay marriage lmao.Gay Marriage is a joke.
Wha--dude, your logic is a pathetic joke. Nothing in this reply has any relevance whatsoever to my original contention. The point was that justifying a discriminatory practice from tradition is fallacious logic, and an inherently invalid line of reasoning, further supported through its various historical failures. Your reply...I don't know what the f*ck you were trying to say.
Yes. No ones asking gays to sit in the back of the bus or any of that shit. They live the same lifes normal people do. They just can't marry.If you HONESTLY can't see the difference between that and equality. Then you need to stop watching so much MSNBC and get out in the real ****ing world.
Still haven't looked up "equality" in a dictionary, eh? Just because not being allowed to marry isn't as bad as the oppressive inhibitions you mentioned doesn't mean it isn't unjust.
They shouldint be allowed to marry lol.
Fascinating argument.
LOL. You are officially a COMPLETE IDIOT.Yeah people have their problems in marriage. And it's far from perfect. But marriage is between a MAN and a WOMEN PERIOD. Nothing you say can change that. Seriously it was Adam and Eve not ADAM and STEVE.
You're restating your original opinions without bothering to support them through any logic. Your original justification for your cute little "Adam and Steve" rhyme was that a man and a woman (allegedly) produce a better household, but now you just turned around and used your original contention to justify this. So, you're resorting to blatant circular logic.
There's a reason why most states have banded gay marriage, folks.
Appeal to popularity. That is a logical fallacy.
Were's your source for that?. Because southerners are strong wild, patriotic, and good people. I lived in the south for a short time and hardly saw anyone getting divorced. In California divorice rates are insane.
Even if it was the case, it dosint matter since marriage is between a man and a women anyways.
So you justify why marriage should be between a man and a woman with your whole "it's better for the children" reply...and then discount the importance of your own logic? 😆
Also gays don't create a family. They don't reproduce. Other then the fact Gay marriage is you know wrong, it has ZERO benifits.
They don't reproduce? Plenty of straight couples don't have biological offspring. We number 6.5 billion; there's no population shortage.
Honestly I have no problem with gay people, just gay marriage.[quote]
Personally, Im against Gay Adoptions. But if a child is truly happy or can be made happy with gays, then why not.
Personally, you're against gay marriages. But if a couple is truly happy or can be made happy, then why not?
See what I did there?
Actually NO LOL. During Prop 8 in california most polls stated the overhweelming majority of people favored gay marriage. But when election day came gay marriages got VOTED DOWN overhweelmingly. like 58 to 42%. Also thats just one poll which dosint mean anything anyways especially since the most liberal state out there(or one of them) voted down Gay Marriage.
Prop 8 has since been overturned. And national support has risen exponentially since your extremely outdated citation.
Anyways i'm done with this topic. I can tell were this is going and it's going to end BADLY. So im just not gona reply.
Yeah...from shifting your position multiple times, to resorting to outright logical fallacies, from appeals to tradition to circular logic and blatant fabrication of facts...I'm sort of disappointed.
