It's not even a difficult thing to say to a mass media market:
"It is immoral to play chicken with the lives of your constituents"
and
"We don't negotiate with terrorists"
If the dems put those things on repeat, maybe buy some ad-space on the Drudge Report, then they can win the next 3 elections.
Instead, they are playing in to the narrative. Good parents don't get on the floor with a child throwing a tantrum, and the Dems need to stop doing the equivalent.
What I don't get is why the media is playing the false equivalency narrative.
This is the Republican's fault, period. They created this crisis out of nothing, on an issue they already lost on in three different fields (the original vote. The elections. The supreme court). The Democrats aren't even remotely near to sharing any responsibility for this, and it would in fact be irresponsible to compromise on this because otherwise the Republicans *will* do it again.
Originally posted by Q99The media isn't a single, unified entity with one will and bias. Elements of the media will pander to the Democrat-supporting side by blaming Republicans, and other elements will pander to the GOP-supporting side by blaming the Dems. There's a wide and varied market of people out there just screaming for news outlets to confirm their biases, and those various outlets are happy to oblige. No matter which side is right there will always be some enterprising station/paper/magazine/blog/host etc. that will say the things that the dissenters will pay attention to.
What I don't get is why the media is playing the false equivalency narrative.
Please explain how the Republicans are at fault here and the Democrats don't deserve equal blame. I realize the people on reddit are brainwashed buffoons without a trace of objectivity or knowledge concerning current events, but I expect better on this forum. All I hear is "boo Republicans". What I don't hear is "this is why the Republicans are to blame".
My stance is that while the Republicans look pretty damn stupid and petty here, the Democrats lose all their credibility by essential saying "no, my ears are closed can't hear you naahhhhhhh". When you have Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi lead your party, I don't think the Republicans can do much worse.
Originally posted by Zampanó
NO. SHUT UP. STOP. THE DEMOCRATS ARE POINTING FINGERS AT REPUBLICANS, THE REPUBLICANS ARE POINTING FINGERS AT THE DEMOCRATS. DON’T YOU ****ING DO IT, TOO, YOU ****ING ****. SHUT THE **** UP!
That’s it.
That’s what happened.
The Republicans shutdown the government.
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The Republicans shutdown the government.
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"The devil’s greatest trick was getting the corporate media to declare that the other side was just as much at fault as he was.
Pretty sure that’s how that saying goes, yeah?"
God i love tumblr [/B][/QUOTE]
The Democrats opened the door to culpability the moment the president declared that he would not compromise on the issue. You can agree with their resolve and their goals all you like, but any time one wing refuses to negotiate with another, they absolutely share the blame in what results.
I hate my iPhone. I'm not going to try to reformat this.
The Democrats opened the door to culpability the moment the president declared that he would not compromise on the issue. You can agree with their resolve and their goals all you like, but any time one wing refuses to negotiate with another, they absolutely share the blame in what results.
Otherwise we can use this retarded logic when the Democrats control the House and the Republicans control the Senate. The first party to make a move gets the blame. Sound logical? Hm
Temp, I want to burn your house down.
No?
Ok, just the garage.
Still no?
I'll settle for just the attic.
WHY WONT YOU NEGOTIATE WITH ME??
Even if there are two positions on an issue, the two positions are not automatically equally valid. Republicans had their chance, and they took it to the Supreme Court. The law is constitutionally valid and to literally shut down the government of the United States in an attempt to strong-arm the opposition is immoral because of the great harm it is doing to the many people who rely on that organization for food aid, medical care, and their day-to-day income.
Leveraging the lives of constituents into political pressure is unconscionable.
Leveraging the lives of constituents into political pressure is unconscionable.
That isn't a correct comparison though. The Republicans are holding the constituents hostage to pressure the Dems, shutting down the government and grinding the country to a halt and as Zam said doing harm to many citizens. I don't even know what you're referring to.
No, because the Republicans already attempted to get the bill stopped through legal means and when that failed they threw a temper tantrum and shut down the government
The whole thing is the Republicans just trying to work in some changes to something they don't like that's already been passed in to law. That's like an HR manager in a department store telling his counterpart that he's officially hired someone, but the colleague has shutdown the whole store until he can make some changes to the employment contract.
(My iPhone is limiting the extent to which I can contribute to this discussion.)
So far, I take issue with every analogy Zamp has offered: chicken, terrorism, arson and pumping Beefy's wife. I will proceed to methodically and utterly dismantle these disingenuous remarks when a full keyboard becomes available and time permits. You are on borrowed time, Nebraskan. Spend your remaining hours as though they were your last.
That said, I am in no way suggesting both parties share EQUAL blame. This is clearly a last-ditch effort of desperation by the Republicans to torpedo Obamacare.
But by refusing to compromise, the Dems have willingly and knowingly set the stage for a GOP-authored disaster that will affect the country.
Negotiations to what end? Repealing Obamacare? That simply is not a topic that the democrats are going to accept. You wouldn't enter into negotiations with me about pumping your wife, so I don't see why the dems are expected to make the equivalent concessions.